how bad does it have to get before Radford is sacked?

Quote: BarnetFC "For me the concern isn't the results or the league position. We're told that we're changing our outlook, concentrating on bringing youngsters through rather than signing big names etc and that's always going to take time. Saints have had some poor seasons by their standards of late while they've been fielding kids but it's stood them in good stead because they now have a crop of youngsters with loads of first team experience.

What does alarm me is the amount of players going backwards - including some who you would think would be at the heart of this 'team Hull' business. Lineham and Crooks are the obvious examples but there's Chris Green as well - all a shadow of the players that impressed under Gentle. Jamie Shaul, arguably, not as good as he was last season. Micky Paea nowhere near as good as he was for Rovers last season. Richard Whiting completely bombed out. Watts has been poor. There have been some successes - Westerman, Abdull, Lacaster - but overall the individual players are regressing and the team is getting worse.

So even if you excuse the results, the league position, the questionable man management with young players being publicly bombed out to Doncaster, the inconsistent team selections where players are started one week then dropped altogether the next, the odd behaviour in the transfer market where we've signed people like Carvell and Colbon for no apparent reason only to cast them aside almost immediately, the alarming media statements such as last week's laugh-a-minute claim that Talanoa is one of the best wingers in the competition (presumably we'd find out if he ever went and stood on the chuffin wing) and wrote it all off as inevitable teething problems of a long term project, what faith can you have in Radford to carry out the long term project when players who should be key to it are getting worse?

I thought he was a lousy, ill-disciplined player for us second time around. I thought he was a dreadful captain, standing silently and blowing out of his ars under the posts after we conceded tries while giving away penalties for fun. I think he sounds like that annoying bloke down the pub who reckons he knows everything but actually hasn't got a brain in his head. And so far as coach I think he's been appalling.'"

Poetry, all of it 100% spot on.

Got to the point now after being pass holders for many years, we are seriously considering not bothering next year. Quite frankly had enough and after talking to many fellow fans and seeing the posts on here, there is quite a large number who feel the same way.

Before the In Any Kind Of Weather brigade start up I can assure you and I am willing to bet many other people feel the same way that the despair and frustration many of us are feeling is not just about this season. This is the culmination of year after year of mediocrity, where it has got to the point where many people have reached their limit and simply have had enough and are not willing to spend decent money to fork out for passes. Who can honestly blame them.

I have been a fan for 25 years now, and I think only the abomination of 1999 under Walsh was worse than what we are seeing now. The Agar years was bad enough, but is this really much better. I questioned the appointment of Radford at the time, and it gives me no pleasure to think that he is simply not up to the job. Don't give me the "It's not his team, he hasn't got his own players" b***. That is the the ultimate kop out/excuse which quite frankly I hate. Darryl Powell hasn't done bad has he, and in the NRL at the Warriors after Elliot got sacked, McFadden has got the same personnel playing pretty well since he took over.

We live pretty close to the KC and I hate to admit it but myself, my wife and daughter find it an effort and chore to go. What gets me the most is I honestly believe that for many years the games big boys would always fear coming to the Boulevard or the KC. They knew they would be in for a hell of a game, and would really have to earn a win. Now that fear factor is gone I believe, and if the big boys play at a decent level, they will be going home with 2 points. That shows how far off away we are off the big boys. We really ballsed it up after the 05 Challenge Cup win followed by a grand final appearance the following year. Never kicked on, and while we may have a passionate fan base, we are miles away from being a big club.And if Radford stays on, I hope he proves me wrong, but I honestly believe that he is not the answer.