We've got to end the Horne/Heremaia partnership. Today it was woeful.
Heremaia needs to come off the bench, as has been said many times.

Why not give Miller a go now? I'm not convinced by him but he needs an extended run. If he's no good, then at least we tried.

I've seen diappointing losses before at the KC, but at no point at all did I think "We'll nick this". I don't know why Widnes bothered with the drop goal, it's not as if we were going to score twice!

Chucking Miller in for his first game, behind our depleted pack would have been suicidal.

Before the game I'd have probably agreed, but he can't possibly have been any worse.

well, I can't say I disagree, but that's hindsight for you! At least we can't get (much) worse

Can understand why he didn't gamble on Miller today given the lack of forwards and the conditions...but he has to get his chance on Friday. If he doesn't we need to pay him off and move on. Paying him to sit in the stand is doing nobody any good.

Agree with this. If he isn't selected on Friday I don't know when he will be.

I have got to agree I can not blame the forwards today Ellis was great Watts stood up can not really fault them guys our half's and outside backs where wooful simple same problem we have had for 5 or more years its a coach killer our enthusiasm was poor also which is disappointing the worst thing was widnes where poor as well most teams in the league would have beaten them by 20 today 2 points thrown away really ed off with that performance, I will give credit to Radders at least he is honest hope he kicks em up the harris tomorrow some really need it

It would appear to me that the contract clause of being released if you haven't played for 6 months, is soon to be invoked.

If this is true then we have a major problem because what we have at the moment will mean we struggle to reach the play offs.

Thought that was only if it was due to injury?

we have plenty to reach the play offs they just need to put a decent shift of work in u can not bomb 4 clear cut chances and exspect to win in those conditions the players where dreadful it started terrible and did not improve any such a contrast from our opening 4 games