First time in 6 years I am off work, going round on xmas day for xmas dinner wth 30 peeps

So looking forward to that

my comment wasn't aimed at you L&I.

I am not a glass half empty person about most things, but I am not a blindly optimistic person either, I see things as I see them and (usually) for what they are. Christmas in the UK is awful (not quite as bad as it in the US, granted) I have been somewhere in France for Christmas for the last 7 years and it is brilliant, those who believe go to Church, there's no mass hysteria, no great commercial engine driving unwarranted expectation for weeks (if not months) before, they don't have wall to repeats on TV (because few people are even in to watch TV), I get to see the roof of the world and slide down it's sides.

Most threads on here are not based in the real world, that is to be expected, it's a fans forum and fans, by their very definition, rarely see anything negative about the club they support.

They do over here too I believe.
As an aside ,how do Atheists celebrate Christmas??

Worship at the altar of consumerism.


And eat. A lot.

Don't expect miracles next season but we won't be as bad as some suggest like you.As for Xmas..I will be relaxing after a busy work period from Aug to Dec and Xmas in Britain is what you make it,you prefer to stand on sticks and go down a mountain...me,I like to see the look on my kids faces...give me a choice of the 2 and the look wins hands down.

you need to buy a smile from your kids, that's quite sad baldy.

my niece smiles when I bother to take her to the seaside with a bucket and spade, not because of deliveries from the laminated book of dreams.