But not enough quality. For us to be a top team is rather have a couple of quality players that can make a difference rather than 4 players plus that don't get enough game time because they are not upto scratch. We have too many first teamers not playing enough rugby. Wigan and co have quality players and the reserve players tend to be young kids from the academies. Out of our full 17 I can only think of 4 players that are top 4 quality. Fans expect us to aim for that but we need to dramastically improve.

There is enough strength in depth, and enough quality on paper to suggest we are capable of a top 3/4 place. The fact's of it are Gentle has lost the dressing room, and he can't coach offence. If he had the respect of the team, and could coach offence then there is enough there for me to suggest we should be winning trophies.

Throw someone in like Shaun Wane, or Brian McDermott and I'm certain we'd be up there with the best.

Gentle out for me

we looked better under agar....... and he was on a limited budget...gentle looks and appears way out his depth IMO

That's because we can't attract enough "quality" players and we have a big gap of home grown players due to under funding.

That's why we had to sign players like Pitts and Johnson.

Heard more stories about the players and the 'fun' they have when theyre out on the tiles only was shocked to hear that lots of the shaningans where going on in front of our assistant coach who did nothing to stop it and this is from two publicans.

When are they out though and what the rule is regarding drinking before and after matches?

You believe everything you hear?

If we were winning you'd be saying its the players spare time and they can do what they want.

Only the voices in his head.

Know a few of them play golf on springhead and after a defeat they used to laugh and joke but think they got bolloxed or something as they are a lot more serious now after a defeat.

So you want to change the coach and what happens if the replacement fails, do we then change him and so on and so on. We need some stability or we'll never get things right. Ask Man Utd fans what would have happened to their club if Fergie had been shown the door early on.

And what if a replacement succeeds?

Wane is still living off the Mcguire influence.

I say the same thing every time our coach supposedly looses the dressing room, tell the players to get on with it or they are out the door. It's not upto the players to decide who the coach should be it's there job to implement whatever game plan the coach comes up with.