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| Quote ccs="ccs"Not sure about the £3 per game. I work it out to be 22*12/8 = £33 per game.'"
£22 per month
2 games a week x 4 weeks = 8 games
22/8= 2.75
roughly £3 per game
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| Quote clubfoot fc="clubfoot fc"£22 per month
2 games a week x 4 weeks = 8 games
22/8= 2.75
roughly £3 per game'"
You're right - I read it as 8 games per season, not per month!
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| Quote ccs="ccs"You're right - I read it as 8 games per season, not per month!'"
no worries pal
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"You have entirely the option of going elsewhere. You have the option of going nowhere. '"
Eh? Going nowhere is not the same as going elsewhere. You do know that, right?
The problem with allowing Sky to swallow its only real rival in satellite broadcasting is that they now have the monopoly on just about everything (sports, movies, US TV series) because of their size. Whilst the BBC might love to have the rights to live Premier League games, there's no way they'd be allowed to spunk that much of their budget on one item. Other companies just haven't got the financial clout to compete with Sky mainly because their main competitor at the time was assimilated into the Sky machine, and they're too big for anyone else to outbid. The one glimmer of hope is that BT have started to offer some Premier League games for free, but I suspect that this will be a token gesture as they're unlikely ever to be a big enough broadcaster to start outbidding Sky for other sports.
Monopolies only ever benefit one group of people, and it's not the consumer. Would you be so blase about the whole thing if there was only one mobile phone provider in the country?
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"Eh? Going nowhere is not the same as going elsewhere. You do know that, right?
The problem with allowing Sky to swallow its only real rival in satellite broadcasting is that they now have the monopoly on just about everything (sports, movies, US TV series) because of their size. Whilst the BBC might love to have the rights to live Premier League games, there's no way they'd be allowed to spunk that much of their budget on one item. Other companies just haven't got the financial clout to compete with Sky mainly because their main competitor at the time was assimilated into the Sky machine, and they're too big for anyone else to outbid. The one glimmer of hope is that BT have started to offer some Premier League games for free, but I suspect that this will be a token gesture as they're unlikely ever to be a big enough broadcaster to start outbidding Sky for other sports.
Monopolies only ever benefit one group of people, and it's not the consumer. Would you be so blase about the whole thing if there was only one mobile phone provider in the country?'"
There isn’t a monopoly in any way shape or form you have other options, you have Virgin media, BT, TalkTalk, youview, freeview, Top up TV. There are high barriers to market, but those barriers were likely higher back when BSKYB first started and they were pumping in £10m a week just to keep going.
If anybody else wanted to put together a viable pay TV package they are free to do so, other companies have done. The fact is it would be very difficult for them to do so, and very expensive, and very risky. But when BskyB created the Pay-tv market in this country it was even riskier, and the costs where still huge and the barriers to market still massive.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Certainly in the US it used to be the opposite. Home NFL fans couldn't get live broadcasts, while the rest of the country could. This was to discourage non-attendance at games.
There's no reason something similar couldn't happen over here, although if Manchester United were playing, you'd only be able to watch them in Manchester with the rest of the country on delayed transmission'"
I'm glad you said that, as I was confused by that post about America. I always thought that it was set up that you could only watch non-local games live. For a usually purely capitalistic country a always found that idea quite a refreshing one as it encouraged people to support their local club in person. Given our game attendance vs TV attendances it wouldn't be the craziest of ideas to explore here.
Has it changed now?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"There isn’t a monopoly in any way shape or form you have other options, you have Virgin media, BT, TalkTalk, youview, freeview, Top up TV. There are high barriers to market, but those barriers were likely higher back when BSKYB first started and they were pumping in £10m a week just to keep going. '"
You don't have other options to watch live sports or the latest movies unless you wish to take Sky's channels. That you purchase Sky Sports from Virgin or Top Up TV makes little difference, Sky are still getting (the vast majority of) the money, and the consumer still has no choice (unless you call sports/no sports a choice).
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"If anybody else wanted to put together a viable pay TV package they are free to do so, other companies have done. The fact is it would be very difficult for them to do so, and very expensive, and very risky. But when BskyB created the Pay-tv market in this country it was even riskier, and the costs where still huge and the barriers to market still massive.'"
BSKYB didn't 'create the pay TV market in this country'. There was BSB and Sky. Sky then swallowed BSB. This, in my view, shouldn't have been allowed to happen because it eliminated any competition Sky might have had and created a monopoly in the pay TV market. This monopoly benefits only Sky.
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"You don't have other options to watch live sports or the latest movies unless you wish to take Sky's channels. That you purchase Sky Sports from Virgin or Top Up TV makes little difference, Sky are still getting (the vast majority of) the money, and the consumer still has no choice (unless you call sports/no sports a choice).'"
For movies you have lovefilm, Netflix, blinkbox, virgin media have an on-demand service. For live sport you have eurosport, premier sports, BT Sports, previously ESPN and Setanta. Both BBC and ITV show live sport. You have other options on which to watch live sport. They just aren’t anywhere near as good. And that isn’t down to Sky’s size. BT Is a far bigger company, ESPN is owned by the Disney corporation which dwarfs Sky
Quote Rock God XBSKYB didn't 'create the pay TV market in this country'. There was BSB and Sky. Sky then swallowed BSB. This, in my view, shouldn't have been allowed to happen because it eliminated any competition Sky might have had and created a monopoly in the pay TV market. This monopoly benefits only Sky.'" Separately both would have gone bust. It was either merge or both die.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"For movies you have lovefilm, Netflix, blinkbox, virgin media have an on-demand service. For live sport you have eurosport, premier sports, BT Sports, previously ESPN and Setanta. Both BBC and ITV show live sport. You have other options on which to watch live sport. They just aren’t anywhere near as good. And that isn’t down to Sky’s size. BT Is a far bigger company, ESPN is owned by the Disney corporation which dwarfs Sky'"
I did say 'latest movies'. The fact that Sky are so big means they will nearly always get the rights to whatever they're bidding for (ESPN might be a different kettle of fish, but I suppose their business model is largely focussed on the US). The likes of BBC, ITV, Eurosport, Setanta and Premier simply couldn't compete with Sky's purchasing power. And whilst BT might be a 'bigger company' (not sure about that, but I'll accept it for the sake of argument), the vast majority of their turnover is in telecommunications. As a broadcaster they're tiny compared to Sky.
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Separately both would have gone bust. It was either merge or both die.'"
Not necessarily. Both had invested a huge amount in the venture, true, but it's impossible to say definitively that both would have died without the merger. In fact, it's far more likely that one would have died at the other's expense. According to Wiki, BSB were ahead of Sky in terms of advertising revenues and whatnot at the time of the merger, so there's every chance they'd have made it.
I think that more choice [iis[/i starting to appear now (for example, I have cancelled my Sky subscription in favour of Netflix) and I hope that that will continue as more stuff is streamed rather than broadcast via Sky's platform.
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"I did say 'latest movies'. The fact that Sky are so big means they will nearly always get the rights to whatever they're bidding for (ESPN might be a different kettle of fish, but I suppose their business model is largely focussed on the US). The likes of BBC, ITV, Eurosport, Setanta and Premier simply couldn't compete with Sky's purchasing power. And whilst BT might be a 'bigger company' (not sure about that, but I'll accept it for the sake of argument), the vast majority of theBlinkbox and Virgins on-demand service make available plenty of the latest movies.
'" And yes, Sky’s offering is better. But that doesn’t mean they have a monopoly. All sky have a monopoly on is Sky’s content. If you want to watch Sky’s content then yes, they have a monopoly on it, like every other company in the world. There are other providers of live sport, other providers of new movies. Skys offering is just better.
. Quote Rock God Xir turnover is in telecommunications. As a broadcaster they're tiny compared to Sky
Not necessarily. Both had invested a huge amount in the venture, true, but it's impossible to say definitively that both would have died without the merger. In fact, it's far more likely that one would have died at the other's expense. According to Wiki, BSB were ahead of Sky in terms of advertising revenues and whatnot at the time of the merger, so there's every chance they'd have made it.
I think that more choice [iis[/i starting to appear now (for example, I have cancelled my Sky subscription in favour of Netflix) and I hope that that will continue as more stuff is streamed rather than broadcast via Sky's platform.'" BSB had massive loans and estate costs which were a millstone. It is likely both would have died.
And there has always been competition to Sky, it just isn’t very good. The only reason people argue Sky have a monopoly is because Sky are the only, out of many broadcast companies, that offer what they actually want.
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