I want a win. A good performance would be a bonus but we need points.

Paper over the cracks.

Agree WV., Good assessment of the game.
Reading some of fc fans postings just do not get their blinkered views of we are only 5 games in to the season crap.
FC imploded same game last year at widnes.
The gap ! as Gentle calls it between our Worst and Best is still as Big as ever and we are now into the 2nd season !

Can anyone see any difference from our playing style to when under Agar`s. That same old inside pass

Not having a go, but I find it strange that somebody that sat through the Agar era would give up after five games, that's all.

To be fair its not just 5 games in though is it as Gentle has been in charge since the beginning of last season, admittedly with Agars signings but still had a season to change alot of what was wrong and bring in his own signings etc.

The game at Widnes was either just an unfortunate game where anything and everything that could go wrong did or just highlighted the problems the club still has re getting a decent product on to the pitch consistently.

Trouble at Mill re Twitter. Cannot have that it's wrong. Clearly dissent in the camp. Needs stamping out / players sacking.
Crowds will be down now. Needs a performance from the players, motivation from Gentle. Quick clarification on the Seymour situation. Either he stays and we get behind him, or he goes. Another Thorman esque situation will ruin the club for another 2/3 years IMO

Nowt like getting behind the team when thinks arnt going well

I think its a bit of both tbh.

We've had the makings of some decent performances this season and some horrors, but we still have problems. Losing Ellis before a ball was kicked in anger has had more of an impact than I thought it would, and not having a settled half back pairing hasn't helped (hands up who thought Seymour would have a good game on Sat?). Holdsworth and Horne looked decent together, but players will get injured and we have to have a back up plan. With respect to Seymour (who I liked the look of in his first year - in parts) he isn't the back up plan, unfortunately.

The inside ball to to the second row (that NEVER works) has returned with the return of Tickle (and don't get me wrong I think he's a great player), and needs to be stopped. Why do we not use it when he isn't in the side??????

I'm not doubting Gentle, although I was never really an "in Gentle we trust" disciple, but I still found it odd that Green and Crooks were left out on Sat. Did we think Widnes = easy?

I was in Leeds a lot at the weekend and on Sunday saw a car with a Rhinos sticker in the window, which, Pavlov's dog style, made me boo and mutter "we all hate Leeds". But then I thought "why?" Yes they beat us a lot and it was awesome to smash them last year, but [uthey are the club we should be aspiring to be.[/u We have a fantastic (with notable exceptions) fanbase. We have a decent coaching set up. We have a brilliant stadium. We have a decent set of players. We've got rid of what was holding us back (the last board and Agar imo). What is stopping us trying to be like Leeds? Solve that one and we could be up there challenging.

cant argue with that chris

Thats the BIG question and worry though I think Chris. Like you say we have changed everything, owner, coach, players, physio/conditioner, training facilities etc infact everything has changed except the kitchen sink but yet the same failings are still there and at times show themselves all at once.

Gentle has all the credentials and qualifications for the job, we have a decent squad of players that still needs some work on but still good enough to be returning better performances and an owner who wants the club to be a success so whats the issue?

Both were carrying knocks.


We are [itrying[/i to be like Leeds. We don't yet have the playing staff and we're years behind them on the development and investment side. Simple as that. These issues are not going to be fixed in a season or even two or three.