If we know that our players have knocks and where, the Wigan players would have and target the players and areas. I notice young Ben got a few "welcome to super league" hits. He handled them superbly. Well done to him although I bet his ears are still ringing.

So you've no read my posts then, standard! My backing for Gentle could not be more than it is, 100%.

I wasn't pro-Agar I just didn't think he was to blame for everything and didn't like things like being abused for how he spoke. I said before he was appointed I didn't want him and I said he should be sacked time after time.

Yes we were ‘poor’ but given all the circumstances I fully expected it.

I went yesterday expecting to be well beat, we where ..............

I also saw a team trying and a crowd getting behind them and that was worth the entrance money .

Now I'm all for a debate and all but what exactly have we as fans so far under the ownership of Pearson & tenure of Gentle as Head Coach got to criticise this season?

They have made massive changes in every dept of the club both on and off the field far more than any of thought they would at all let alone in one go.

This season will be a bit of a rollercoster as we'll have highs as well as lows but even with these the way the club is on the field is already streets ahead of were we where at the end of last year.

The only possible thing I would criticise is the price in the away end as I think Pearson made a bit of boob by the way that was handled.

Its just not a case of not wanting or not daring to criticise for me there is very little if anything to find fault with at present, we haven't even gone down the route of loan players as used to be the case rather than put faith in and blood our own youngsters instead of Leeds youth etc.

Exactly and the concensus from the attanding fans was one of support for the players who although faced with a impossible task still went out and gave it their all which was appreciated by the fans and all we can ask.

So did I, didn't expect 50 but I expected a hiding.

Nothing I can think of really. Maybe some discussion around new signings. I think a few people were not happy after the Salford/London games with our attack. It was all fairly minor stuff.

People are clearly misunderstanding my point, all I said was that yesterday we performed badly even allowing for the issues we had. We didn't compete and we have done in every other game this season. We can't just have nothing but praise for the new regime, we are allowed to have debates. It doesn't mean i'm anti-gentle or impatient or being unrealistic etc etc. Just pointing out we were very poor.

I think the consensus is that there is nothing to criticise, rather than the fact that people daren't criticise.

What, prior to yesterday, do you think has warranted criticism that hasn't been forthcoming?

Wow. So there's 'nothing you can think of' that has merited criticism, yet you have 'noticed a consensus' that people don't want to/daren't criticise the new regime? Your message is rather muddled.

Are you saying that this 'consensus' you have noticed is solely because some posters aren't prepared to lay blame at Gentle's door for yesterday's poor result?

I don't think anything warranted criticising but there was debate over pricing, Sunday rugby, Pitts signing, just small stuff like that. Personally i'm very happy with the way things have gone since AP took over and Gentle came in, only negative is Manu perhaps leaving but the club seem to have done everything in their power to give him a good contract so I ahve no issue with them there.