i agree i do think Martin and Aspinwall are pretty weak signings due to the recent players we were linked to how did we end up with those two? im not saying they are bad but we should be aiming a little higher than those now

the one hope i have is that westerman plays 13 otherwise we will just end up losing him to leeds when sinfield chucks it

i remember when ellery hanley first played for bradford he was hit and miss then look what happened turner is the future of hull

So are you comparing Turner to Hanley. I dont ever remember him been much of miss at bradford. I do remember him getting 7 tries against us in 1 season 4 of em at boulevard. turner would do well to get 7 in season against good sides

Turner can only dream he'l be that good.Sorry but if we want to be serious contenders in 2013 then the likes of Turner have to go...we will have Whiting and Crooks will be better for a season with the 1st team.

If it's true that Agar is the problem with al of our players then Turner's defence can be improved. He's a big lad aged 22 who knows his way to the try line. Let's give him a chance eh? Surely one of Martin's key roles is to help him develop as a centre.