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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Why not? You've done nothing but chant the same mantra from the moment you joined the discussion'"
If you're so stupid that, no matter what response you get you keep asking the same question, it doesn't surprise me you're bored of reading the same answer.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"You've still not answered my question. I [uassume [/uyou are saying that 10+ years ago, there were planning (mainly traffic) reasons why a stadium for all the city's professional clubs couldn't be sited at Costello. This is an irrelevance now because City and FC play at the KC . The council offered Mr Allam Costello for his [uSporting Village[/u, not for the relocation of the KC. Mr Allam wants to provide sporting facilities of an ice rink, swimming pool and squash courts to the city as a gift. The council have offered him Costello as a venue. The traffic issue for a Sporting Village would be far far less than for a stadium housing both professional clubs, surely that's obvious?'"
If only it was that simple.
Out of interest, did the Council offer Costello or did Cllr Geraghty do it? What's the value of the Costello site?
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| Quote My Uncle Harry="My Uncle Harry"Answered within a short time of the last time you posted it cloth head.
I'll not bore everyone by posting the same answer to the same response.
'" On the contrary, noodle brain, you didn't acknowledge the fact that there were five expert council representatives at that meeting, not just "one individual" who made a unilateral decision.
Sorry, I am going to bore everyone by repeating your evasive drivel. Here's what you said (I'll do it small so it takes up less valuable space):
[size=85 Quote My Uncle Harry="My Uncle Harry"Nothing contrary at all, the party and Council leaders published views are contrary to the recent opinion of the one person.
According to others, the matters aren't quite as published. If the land offered is an example of the attitude, it was land that was discounted for the stadium as it wouldn't get planning permission. Some offer there eh? Yet it's offered in support of the Council's attitude.
Both parties are guilty of washing their smalls on public, but responding to press questions is hardly "droning on". The same could be said of the Councillor, whose statement seems to be a transcript of his previous radio interview, that was followed by Adam Pearson who in his diplomatic style, gave a different account which pointed to elements of the statement that differed from his understanding.
A few on here seem to have made their minds up that it's simply Council good, allam's bad. If only life was so simple.'" [/size
Not one mention of Councillor Bayes or the other specialists. In fact, no acknowledgement of the size of the meeting, the length of time it took, the fact that Allam declined to share his pretty artist's impression, the fact that Allam had no proposals to discuss....
I'll ask again, simply:
Do you admit that there was more than "one individual" representing the council at the meeting at the end of which Mr Allam - not the council - declared [url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Sports-village-talks-council-rejects-stadium-sale/story-13417465-detail/story.html"That is my final word on the subject. As far as I am concerned the matter is now closed."[/url
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| Quote My Uncle Harry="My Uncle Harry"If only it was that simple.
Out of interest, did the Council offer Costello or did Cllr Geraghty do it? What's the value of the Costello site?'"
It's not complicated, is it? You said the insurmountable stumbling block for Costello was that consent wasn't granted over a decade ago to house 2 or even 3 professional clubs due to associated traffic congestion. It's pretty obvious that an alternative site for a sporting village (not including a stadium for professional clubs) would be an entirely different proposition from a planning consent perspective, and the council would know this before tabling the proposal. As WorminHand has said, more than once, Cllr Geraghty was NOT the lone council representative in the last meeting.
I don't know the value of the Costello site. I would imagine it would be less than the land round the KC, but valuations depend on consent granted. A1 food consent (eg for supermarkets, which it has recently emerged is part of the £3,000 plans we've not yet seen) significantly increases value of land.
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| Quote WormInHand="WormInHand"On the contrary, noodle brain, you didn't acknowledge the fact that there were five expert council representatives at that meeting, not just "one individual" who made a unilateral decision.
Sorry, I am going to bore everyone by repeating your evasive drivel. Here's what you said (I'll do it small so it takes up less valuable space):
Not one mention of Councillor Bayes or the other specialists. In fact, no acknowledgement of the size of the meeting, the length of time it took, the fact that Allam declined to share his pretty artist's impression, the fact that Allam had no proposals to discuss....
I'll ask again, simply:
Do you admit that there was more than "one individual" representing the council at the meeting at the end of which Mr Allam - not the council - declared that that was [url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Sports-village-talks-council-rejects-stadium-sale/story-13417465-detail/story.html"That is my final word on the subject. As far as I am concerned the matter is now closed."[/url'"
You post as if that's news or makes a difference. Oh well, previous answer, repeated yet again.
"Nothing contrary at all, the party and Council leaders published views are contrary to the recent opinion of the one person.  "
Mr Allam's reaction was in response to the way he was treat.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"It's not complicated, is it? You said the insurmountable stumbling block for Costello was that consent wasn't granted over a decade ago to house 2 or even 3 professional clubs due to associated traffic congestion. It's pretty obvious that an alternative site for a sporting village (not including a stadium for professional clubs) would be an entirely different proposition from a planning consent perspective, and the council would know this before tabling the proposal. As WorminHand has said, more than once, Cllr Geraghty was NOT the lone council representative in the last meeting.
I don't know the value of the Costello site. I would imagine it would be less than the land round the KC, but valuations depend on consent granted. A1 food consent (eg for supermarkets, which it has recently emerged is part of the £3,000 plans we've not yet seen) significantly increases value of land.'"
So the so called unseen plans provide enough information to predict the impact of the development on Costello? It's acceptable to gift the Costello land, but not the KC stadium?
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| Quote My Uncle Harry="My Uncle Harry"So the so called unseen plans provide enough information to predict the impact of the development on Costello? It's acceptable to gift the Costello land, but not the KC stadium?'" There's an important difference here you seem to be missing. The council offered that Costello could be a site for the Sporting Village "gift". They were less keen on gifting the land for the supermarket/restaurant/boutique development. I'm not sure what your point is on the impact of the squash courts/ice rink on Costello.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"There's an important difference here you seem to be missing. The council offered that Costello could be a site for the Sporting Village "gift". They were less keen on gifting the land for the supermarket/restaurant/boutique development. I'm not sure what your point is on the impact of the squash courts/ice rink on Costello.'"
According to Allam, and to some degree confirmed by Cllr Geraghty's interview, the so called boutique version was never really a serious proposition. Some of the sports developments, such as the ice rink, appeared to be obstructions, so consideration was given to their removal. It would seem this was latched on as an offer, rather than a suggestion. It's just another red herring.
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| Quote My Uncle Harry="My Uncle Harry"According to Allam, and to some degree confirmed by Cllr Geraghty's interview, the so called boutique version was never really a serious proposition. Some of the sports developments, such as the ice rink, appeared to be obstructions, so consideration was given to their removal. It would seem this was latched on as an offer, rather than a suggestion. It's just another red herring.'"
Allam talked about "wives going the to the supermarket" on the development, didn't he?
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Allam talked about "wives going the to the supermarket" on the development, didn't he?'"
Yes, but that doesn't preclude anything else from being in the development.
Some people have got far too hung up on some of the words and latch on like limpets to the soundbites.
It's possible the whole thing would have come to nothing at some point, but I'll say again, for me the issue is the way it's been handled.
We need money to redevelop that area. I've yet to see the councils plans, but those rusty street lights at the park entrance hardly fill me with the belief that they have a grand plan. Having one offered should have lead to more investigation of the options, not some shabby half truths on a two bob radio show and local rag.
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| Quote My Uncle Harry="My Uncle Harry"You post as if that's news or makes a difference. Oh well, previous answer, repeated yet again.
"Nothing contrary at all, the party and Council leaders published views are contrary to the recent opinion of the one person.
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Mr Allam's reaction was in response to the way he was treat.'"
Ok. Let's put it another way.
Please illustrate - with evidence - why you believe that Councillor Geraghty has single-handedly blocked further discussions to the development and has acted independently of the rest of the council. You may want to consider what has happened to Facebook-using teachers recently though, when forming your reply.
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