I know I live a long way away and all that, but aren't we being a little pessimistic about this one.

We've managed to stuff most the bottom six teams this season. Also haven't they lost of a lot of players? I'm not sure if they've already left or they're leaving next season but really lets feel a bit better about this one.

Hull win by 20+

True but facts don't lie were still 8th and that isn't good enough

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

We've lost as many games as we've won and we've been in the bottom half of the table for all but the one week between the Salford win and Leeds defeat in July.

Indeed - it does however illustrate the fine margins involved - maybe even demonstrates a poor quality league if we could have been so close.



I'm not sure what relevance a team's position during the season has as the season only ends after 27 games. As many folk said last year it's pointless talking about being 'almost fourth' when we finished sixth. Same argument applies the other way.

Plus the Cas game.

Or we could look at it another way we are 16 points behind Wigan and 15 Points away from Warrington

Saints have played away from home all season and are still 8 points ahead of us.

We lose to Cas next week we'd most likely then have to beat Wire which we wont then we'd most likely finish 9th.

But yes we are only 5 points behind Hudds in 4th.