Who knows where he is? He played against Oldham and was earmarked as having a big future - since then we've never heard a thing about him!

I disagree with that. I know you get the odd player that gets ahead of themselves because they have the tracksuit but it isn't every player. I know the drink culture doesn't help with player development as any hull FC player gets into nightclubs for free and other bonuses. It isn't just hull youngsters that will suffer from that I'm sure Leeds and others will have individuals that get a bit big headed. I know a few young lads that are dedicated kids but they don't get a shot they need to progress. It also doesn't help spending more time in the gym than on the playin field. Hulls philosopy is that if your not big and fast enough your not good enough. I know a lot of very skilful players that have been rejected because of size. It wouldn't surprise me if sam tomkins or rob burrow got rejected if they were at hull youth clubs.

What sort of excuse is that? We need updates on what these starlets are doing 24/07.

I wasn't meaning every player I was saying I think it is a contributing factor as to why some players never hit the heights they should.

Hull's recruitment process for picking players needs to be far more thorough as whilst the players ability is the number 1 thing their personality, character and social groups become far more important the older they get.

The start of the pathway system isn't fair with youngsters only given one 20 minute game to show what they can do, thats the first thing that needs changing.

Secondly they need to keep watching all players from the age of 13 yrs onwards and not just who they signed, as most of us know some kids develop much later and they are simply missed!