First of all Agar explained in the post match interview that Westerman has been stuggling with a chest infection and hasnt trained much. Also its either going to be him or Manu that starts and by going with Manu you cant say we lost anything.

As for Whiting, he was on the bench as utility, hes not like a prop who is there to be rotated, and as we were playing well Agar saw no need for him, why make a change just for the hell of it?

Fair enough...plenty to mouth off about ...think its harsh on Hame tbh.

BUT , there's no getting away from the fact that when a guy as big as him gets his hands on an opposite number he should 9 times out of 10 stop them and do some damage in the process. He just doesn't do that , he flaps with his arms and gets no impact. Whether that's lack of aggression , desire, technique I don't know and all of those may be as a result of poor coaching , poor fitness etc but whatever the reason(s) it ain't happening and at a time when according to him he's looking for a new contract. I don't disagree that he's been better of late but that's way from being good enough and he's not on his own.

As was Houghton's attempt just before it. And for the breakaway try in the first half that was a Yeaman spot tackle that went wrong and sold us completely down the river. Fact is there are any number of players making poor mistakes week in and week out.

Which brings us back to issues with the coaching or lack of it. For me if we were doing so well in training as Agar keeps banging on about then surely purely on the law of averages we would actually put this so called work in training into a game and as yet we have seen precious little coming through.

He said only a few weeks ago that the buck stops with him, nothing has changed and nothing seems to be working so he has to go.

I see we made one at half time