I would add that he was our only player of any note at MM creating 3 out of our 4 tries. He hasn't taken the team by storm but I wonder sometimes if people actually watch the game in front of them. His main problem has been lack of availability.

That's where i disagree, (not about Obst) Turner played very well at 6 at the start of the season for me. If Long is pulling the strings i'd prefer a running 6 like Turner next to him.

No way does Turner bring more to the stand off position than Horne no matter who plays 7.

As a running 6 he was punching holes earlier in the season. Horne hasn't done that on his return from injury as i understand it.

Punching holes is not what is required of a stand off though is it? That's what a forward does and FWIW Horne has still been breaking the line but when it comes to passing, vision, tactical kicking, footwork and general variation of play, Horne is way ahead. I like Turner but he is too one dimensional and probably will end up as a strong running second rower.

It is from a running 6. I agree BTW that Horne has the far more rounded game but currently as a running 6 i'd like to see Turner in over Horne.