Sorry Jimmy they do, it is very clear we have a problem if we have only won 4 out of the last 13 games mate...and things have clearly not improved, 1 out of 4 is very poor, nearly winning is not enough in this game.

Just to be accurate, we're 1 from 5 this season. Rovers, Leeds, Hudds, Crusaders, Wigan.

Eyes wide open sonny -''10 page thread rejoicing the fact that we've seen effort and commitment''.

Without trawling the whole 12 pages would I be right in saying that everyone should be proud of the effort of every player who played on Sunday and maybe the players are pushing themselves that little bit further? But in the scheme of things long term we are in the same situation as after the Hudds game?

Extreme myopia dad