Yer good point I mean if we'd won both games that we lost nobody would be moaning about losing would we. Not a single Leeds fan would tolerate Agar as their coach so don't come on here and try and make out the guys a good coach.

Have you seen our backs? Not a top 4 quality back line IMO, although there are some exceptions in there. We're still struggling with our halves as well.

As soon as Hally went off it screwed us up. The whole weeks training and planning, with not even our 1st choice FB, went to pot. Can't blame Agar for that. If Hall played the whole match, we saw his true plans and coaching, and we lost, then there may be a point about Agar.

One point of 4th place, huge improvement on last season, just not quite there yet. Once this game loss, somehow, settles down, we will all see that.

No disrespect Kosh but it was Agar and FC who gave a player who was clearly knackered a nice big 2 year deal when his then current club were only willing to give him 1 year due to the risk.
You put that along side a player who due to health reasons looks a shadow of his former self and it doesn't take Bamber Gascoigne to work out that problems may well arrive.

Lost Radders after 10 mins last week that wouldn't have been in the game plan but we played with more passion, skill and determination with 12 men than we showed with 13 today ...a poor performance all round

I dont buy the Hall excuse for one minute, yes it was unfortunate but surely thats what coaching a rugby club is all about ?
Either way, my view is based on the whole of his tenancy and not just today although it went some way of personifying the former.

With our recruitment I expected much more, although going into a season with one proper winger proved to be his most glaring error in my view. That said young Reece showed a few good glimpses today.

Full Back is more of a pivotal role then a forward.

Its not an excuse! The better team won on the day! I'm saying it wasn't a true indication of Agar's coaching because his game plan wasn't truly shown!

Fair point but as i said is that not what coaching is all about ?

We had few if any options except to go with Long, and none of the injuries he's been out with could have been 'predicted'. When fit he's looked far from 'knackered'.

Horne is on contract. I fully expect us to be looking for other options when that contract ends. Replacing one half back at a time is hard enough - we'd have had no chance of replacing both in one closed season.

Too much work needed doing for one season's recruitment and retention to fix.

It may have been an improvement on the last two years - it couldn't really have been much worse - but 7th means it has ultimately been a disappointing season.

Two derby wins and the double over Saints were great but some shocking performances and defeats by Salford, Crusaders, Wakefield and Harlequins cost us big time.

I'm still far from convinced by Richard Agar and I believe we as a big club should be aiming higher.