Indeed he does have a point. Every team has to have the "solid" performers rather than 17 superstars, becuase of the cap.

But as BP1 says, we probably only have 3 players that would "walk" into any other side, and a few top youngsters who are more about potential than anything else at the moment. I would say that Wigan/Wire/Saints/Hudds have a lot more than 3 that would walk into our side, and I think their "middle of the road" players are better than our "middle of the road" too!

In summary, we have a decent side, but not top 4. I think people need to be realistic!

Nathan Brown.

Look at the different in Kevin Brown he has gone from average SL to one of the best halfbacks in SL since N Brown has been there, Agar hasnt improved any players at Hull that much, in fact some have gone backwards.

Same with Darrell Griffin IMO. Aspinwall and G Horne in the back row! Brown is certainly doing something right!

Will all change next season then, Nathan Brown is coaching Roosters from 2011.

Coaching the correct things, picking the right team and making the right interchanges perhaps?

Hudds have done well in picking up players who wee going nowhere in their careers such as Brown, Robinson and now Brough..and turning them into better players.

this was a policy used successfully by us when Mcrae was here. We signed players like Raynor, Dowes, Brough, Thackray etc from the lower end of the table or the reserve league and turned them in to better players.

Doubt it they have a good board of direcetors who have the ambition to sign another and money to get a top coach, you watch Kearney end up there.

Some fans, definitely. My worry is not enough. As you say, we've had our 2 worst SL seasons and season ticket sales have still gone up. When will enough be enough?

Lets be realistic here.

We are not going to win anything this season.

We are not going to finish in the top four.

Wigan, Warrington, Saints, Hudds and Leeds are all better than we are.

After the last two seasons we should all be satisfied with making the play-offs IMO. If we could make the top six it should be regarded as a good season and we should be satisfied with that.

Hull have a significant number of players not playing to their potential whilst those other teams have player who are performing at their peak.

For instance, a half back partnership of Sean Long and Richard Horne looks much better on paper than Danny Brough/Luke Robinson and Kevin Brown. It also should be no worse than Thomas Leuluai/Paul Deacon and Sam Tomkins

Likewise a Front Row of O'Meley, Berrigan, Dowes/Cusack/Moa/Radford looks good on paper compared to Crabtree, Lunt, Mason or Fielden, Riddell and Coley.

In fact if you look through our team we have:

O'meley
Berrigan
Fitzgibbon

Who are all multiple SOO and Australian capped players

Calderwood
Yeaman
Long
Briscoe

Who have all played for GB/England

Together with a number of other players hwo have played for minor countries

Is the fact that many of them are underperforming down to the individuals or is it a coach who isn't getting thebest out of them?

Stop being sensible