You have nailed it right there Paul. I have kept patience with Agar until now, but, with the squad of players he has at his disposal, I would expect to see a distinct improvement in on field performance. He may be a fine coach, but as a head coach he just can't cut it. Like most fans, I can handle my team losing if the effort & application is there. Tonight was woeful.

and to add Huddersfield have a bunch of players who noone else really wanted, such as Brown and Robinson, who have really upped their game since Brown arrived

Crabtree has developed from average to international also.

Wigan meanwhile have become much fitter, and whilst aren't the best side to watch, are playing a very modern, arm-wrestle type of rugby which plays to the refereeing/rules and they are reaping the rewards.

Home - decent. Away - ordinary.

All the rest is over analysis.

Final position 7th or 8th. Better if Long & Fitzgibbon stay healthy, worse if they don't.

Simple.

TBH I am actually more dejected tonight than I've been over the last couple of years. We cleared out the deadwood from the squad and recruited well but the one area that needed improving more than any other has been left as was'. As a result we are going to reap what we have sowed. My biggest fear is that the board will not act soon enough and will wait until this season has become a complete wash out like the previous two. We deserve better.

Thats the big thing for me as i cant think of a single player who has improved whilst Agar has been in charge. You have Brown taking a player from NL in Lunt and turning him into a possible England bolter at the end of the year. Kevin Brown looks a totally different type of player as does Crabtree. For Wigan you have Roberts, Coley and O'Loughlin all of whom look totally rejuvenated under McGuire.

i think we were out enthused tonight and were guilty of going through the motions expecting to win against a salford side with a poor record so far this year. this doesnt mean we should call for the coach to be sacked just yet. yes we should have performed better in the second half after agars half-time inspiration but i will wait for the derby reaction before losing all hope.

you always feel a bit down straight after a defeat, especially 2 points we're expected to bag.

Brown did the same ,with Scott Moore last year.

Also Maguire, has transformed Joel Tomkins, and Fielden looks back to his best.

if this was Agar's first season we'd feel down about a defeat, but not calling for his head...but were into year 3 of this rubbish and enough is a enough.

And what about the performances against Crusaders and Wigan.

If this was an isolated incident you'd have a point, but as Smiggs points out we did exactly the same against Crusaders and Wigan. That's a rather disturbing trend to say the least.

its a tough league. im not expecting miracles from a side that has played poorly for the last two seasons. agar isnt an nrl miracle worker.