Can sympathise with the Whiting thought, but feel Washy is faster and more creative, so see Whiting as a 2nd row replacement.

Think Turner is seen as a future 6 or 13 and will offer cover there next season.

Agree with alot of this, particularly the radford at 13, I can't believe anyone thinks he should play at 13, and if we're struggling at 13 (due to washy injury), playing radford there is the last option. He's not creative, he's a hard work merchant - love to know Agar's logic there, but fear it's as you suggest - when there's not a place in 2nd row, or prop (where his future lies for me, if at all, if Tickle, manu, Fitz et-al perform).

Not much between them in terms of speed, and Whiting is the cleverer player IMO.

Washbrook's workrate and defence put him head and shoulders above whiting IMO.

Agreed! Whiting just isn't as good as what we have in most positions, which is his main problem.

I see no-one can see a place for our captain, Lee Radford.
Nor can many see a place for out goal kicker, Danny Tickle.

Saying that, Fitzgibbon is an excellent goalkicker, and so is Craig Hall. So we won't miss Tickle so much if dropped.

But can anyone really see Agar ever dropping Radford? Has he ever been dropped? Given a full squad, I will place money on Radford being named at 13.

XVII I'd have:
1. Tansey; 2. Calderwood, 3. Hall, 4. Yeaman, 5. Raynor; 6. Horne, 7. Long; 8. Dowes, 9. Berrigan, 10. O'Meley, 11. Fitzgibbon, 12. Manu, 13. Washbrook.
14. Briscoe, 15. Lauaki, 16. Moa, 17. Houghton

Briscoe to cover the backs. Impact in the forwards.

XIII Agar will probably name:
1. Tansey; 2. Briscoe, 3. Hall, 4. Yeaman, 5. Raynor; 6. Horne, 7. Long; 8. Dowes, 9. Berrigan, 10. Cusack, 11. Fitzgibbon, 12. Manu, 13. Radford.
14. Whiting, 15. Lauaki, 16. Moa, 17. O'Meley

He won't drop Radford. He'll start Briscoe.

In fairness, neither side looks too bad. He'll never have a full squad to pick from anyway!

1. Tansey
2. Briscoe
3. Yeaman
4. Hall
5. Raynor
6. Washbrook
7. Long
8. Dowes
9. Berrigan
10. Shrek
11. Tickle
12. Manu
13. Fitz

14. Houghton
15. Hame
16. Moa
17. Yak

In my opinion that is our strongest 17

Yes, because all the times Whiting has played 13 his workrate has been rubbish, hasn't it? Or have we not seen enough of him there to make an informed judgement?

I'm with Kosh on this one. I'd have Washy in the side - probably as a second rower in place of the monumental waste of space that is our captain. I'd love to see Whiting given a run at 13 or 6, but fear it may never happen. If it did, I think he'd do really well - particularly outside someone like Long.

I'd go with Washbrook at 13 at the moment but I don't believe he is that far in front of Whiting. If Washy isn't performing then Whiting should be given ago. Then Turner after him. Unless of an injury crisis, then none of Radford, Fitzgibbon, Tickle, Burnett or Manu should play at 13.

that wont happen.