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Quote: Gordon Gekko "There is now way a conservative government would let the welfare state get as big as it is now. Besides the minumum wage was supposed to combat the benefit culture, but all its done is increase marginal wages and employer costs and at the same time the benefit culture........................................thats hit the nail on the head there!!.you could never say that the tories were bothered about peoples welfare,just ask those people that worked in the mining/steel/ ship building industries im sure theyll agree with you..i always thought the minimum wage was a good thing..wouldnt you feel a bit cheated if your kids were working for a1£ an hour.i certainly would..rather than having a go at the benefit culture.have a think about billionaires living in london that dont pay one penny in tax..all legal..theres a lot of things in this so called society we live in thats wrong and the benefit culture is way down the list......

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I am now going to ask some serious question to a former trade union leader turned local MP.'"


Think you'll find he's a bit of an eco-warrior these days.

But seriously, what did he do for you when he actually NEEDED your votes at the next election. His constituancy is still one of the worst places to live in the developed world.

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Quote: FoD FC Army "Think you'll find he's a bit of an eco-warrior these days.

But seriously, what did he do for you when he actually NEEDED your votes at the next election. His constituancy is still one of the worst places to live in the developed world.'"


He is not my MP I have his female namesake with the bad hairdo and specs icon_rolleyes.gif

As my trade union leader he always commanded my respect and had a deep knowledge of the business which he used with great effect for the benefit of the membership.

He then seems to have lost the plot a bit like the large ( very large ) ex trade union leader from the East

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I had mixed feelings watching this programme, one one hand these 'can't guarantee you hours' temporary jobs are crappy and aren't a career for anybody

but on the other hand there were several in there who just looked like complete wasters. There's only so much the government/society can do for people, and some of them blatantly didn't care what they were doing with their lives.

many people don't like the concept of making people 'work' for their benefits...but I disagree, there were several on the programme who I feel would like the opportunity to do something better than make paper planes for their benefits, and getting them into a regular work routine and out meeting people would help some of them.

It was also sad to see 'the immigrants' used as an excuse yet again...some of them simply can't handle the fact that some of the immigrants (despite having poorer english) are still more attractive to employers, because they're so determined they've actually moved countries to work and earn money. Rather than some of these who'd turn down a job if it was in their own back garden.

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Quote: Ian P "He is not my MP I have his female namesake with the bad hairdo and specs
He is a t@sser, forgot where he came from.sold us out. simplz icon_lol.gif
I remember meeting him, I thought he was a t@sser then as well icon_lol.gif
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