How do you figure that nonsense out???
If they're not in the first team not training with the first team how does that have an effect?
There are still too many people looking for excuses on here.

Not unless they have to be called on due to injury.

Pretty sure faiumu was here last season. think he played against us at the KC. As has been said only really him, hodgson and moore have been regulars in the side. agar has brought more of his own players in

Of course it would make a difference bringing in 11 new players for Gods sake, being that they are different players. You are therefore creating a different dynamic into the squad.
The point being the argument that Nathan Brown improved the squad Jon Sharp left is not entirely true is it? He made quite a few signings.

Just to add I think he has done a marvellous job as Huddersfield, that cant be denied.

Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"Pretty sure faiumu was here last season. think he played against us at the KC. As has been said only really him, hodgson and moore have been regulars in the side. agar has brought more of his own players in'" Ill give you that, 3 games to the end of last year he was brought in Agar has brought in calderwood, Lauaki, =redMoa, Thorman, =redMaloney, Tansey and Cordoba the ones in bold because of our injuries the ones in red where not supposed to play a lot of first grade this year. lets not forget Crocker who we tried to bring in. Back to Nathan Brown read this as to when he came over - news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 513517.stm a snipet - "I intend to spend every spare minute watching the Giants on video and liaising with Keiron Purtill and Paul Anderson on a regular basis." The two assistant coaches have been in temporary charge since the sacking of Jon Sharp at the beginning of June. They will remain in charge until the end of the season, when Brown will take over the reigns.

Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"Pretty sure faiumu was here last season. think he played against us at the KC. As has been said only really him, hodgson and moore have been regulars in the side. agar has brought more of his own players in'" Ill give you that, 3 games to the end of last year he was brought in Agar has brought in calderwood, Lauaki, =redMoa, Thorman, =redMaloney, Tansey and Cordoba the ones in bold because of our injuries the ones in red where not supposed to play a lot of first grade this year. lets not forget Crocker who we tried to bring in. Back to Nathan Brown read this as to when he came over - news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 513517.stm a snipet - "I intend to spend every spare minute watching the Giants on video and liaising with Keiron Purtill and Paul Anderson on a regular basis." The two assistant coaches have been in temporary charge since the sacking of Jon Sharp at the beginning of June. They will remain in charge until the end of the season, when Brown will take over the reigns.

So we now know that Brown only started this season, he could only do so much last year while emplyed elsewere.
Where as Agar has been at the club for 4/5 years and should know the make up of the club and what it required from previous years eg a scrum half. He decided to sign Thackray and Thorman and let Godwin and Wheeldon go although not world beaters are certainly better than what we have now. Agar should have known the club inside out and what was required, Brown has come over after watching videos and telephone conversations and made our coaching set up look stupidly amatuer and lethargic, Agar is the head coach and has to take responsibility for this.

No they aren't.

The fact that the best we have had to offer in recent times has been Burrow, and the hype surrounding Myler and Eastmond etc shows that the British game has a problem with halfbacks in general rather then just Hull.
The above are really talented players but none of them would be considered as no 7s in the NRL in my opinion.

Take responsibility for having to play P Sharps Squad you seem to forget most of the players we have been stuck with where down to P Sharp not Agar also as soon as he can (contract permitting) he is getting rid also you seem to conveniently forget all the hassle Carvell caused us which meant not very many players being available as cash was tied up in his deal. We bought the best available at the time not necessarily the best out there.
But again lets not let that detract you from blaming Agar for it.

Also I would like to point out that I am unsure if Agar is the man for the job but I am not going to damn the bloke or be involved in another witch hunt for the wrong reasons.

Exactly right. We saw all this when Peter Sharp was in charge and I'm a bit sick of it.
Time will tell if Agar is to succeed or fail, and it looks like that is exactly what he's going to get. So we should get behind him and the team he puts in place next season.
If he fails then I'm sure a lot on this board will up their post count with many 'I told you so's'

Some good valid points, well said.