I do rate Horne, just think to have a running back like him, we need to have a play making 13. If not we will be were we are now still, Long will not play every game next year, nor will most players in the league.

I also remember Horne been the best player in the league for the first five games this year. My post was not who i want rid of, just who i definatley dont want to leave.

I know what you're saying re: Horne & Raynor, its not as ludicrous to say that as some think. But while I'm seriously up for a major clearout of the squad's deadwood, we don't want to be in a position of completely starting again with the squad. With this in mind, I think the two in question more than deserve to stay.

7 going, and there among them

1. Sleazy
2. Sleepy
3. Dopey
4. Dick
5. Crappy
6. Bashed up
7. Drunky

And the 1 already out makes 8

R Horne has a large amount of his wages taken off the cap due to being here 10 years, so is technically cheap in salary cap terms, hence why FC can "afford" to pay him more

thought you said berrigan was staying?

So some people on here would release
R Horne
Berrigan
Rayner
If that was released to the press tomorrow there would be a queue of super league coaches at the KC ready to snap all three up.
After 10 years does Rich not have the right to a dip in form after his health problems, his tackling has saved this club over the seasons, STS/LEEDS would have used him more for his attacking abilities rather than defence like Hull.
Berrigan=class
Horne and Raynor would be scoring tries for fun at certain other clubs,
Raynor outside of Gidley imagine it, awesome

I could play outside of Gidley and look awesome

Briscoe IS NOT A WINGER he is a centre so why people would Raynor go is beyond me and Richard Horne is having a bad time of it but he is still one of our top players for me I would keep
Tansey
Raynor
Hall
Briscoe
Yeaman
Calderwood
R.Horne
Berrigan
Houghton
Lauaki
Manu
Washbrook
Moa
The rest I wouldn't be bothered if they went.

Totally agree. If anything, I think it's the opposite of what Big Dave is saying. He's not being lauded regardless of performance when he's not producing, he's actually not producing consistently and being judged more harshly for it because of his record. FWIW I still think he's been better than Lee in the hooking position this year. Lee has had a consistent, but average at best, season. Berrigan has had 1 or 2 poor games, mostly average, but a few good ones as well, with moments of real quality sprinkled in there.

The fact that he's so far ahead of his teammates is actually holding him back in a way, as at times he heads towards a gap, turns to find the runner, and there's nobody there so he ends up ambling into the tackle and looking like he's made an error. It's like when a good footballer pulls of a great ball but his teammate hasn't read it so it trickles out of play; the quality player looks bad, but it was the limitations of his colleague that caused it.