No the glass is well and truly smashed!!!!!!!!!!

You are Phil Clarke and I claim my £5

They are professionals being paid to do a job, regardless of whether the supporters are behind them or not. The coaches should be putting belief into the players not the supporters.

i'd have said we'd give Celtic a game, but then i remember our players dont turn up for 'lesser' ties either

not a chance the way they are playing the lacklustre rubbish backwards pussyfooting poncy rugby they have been playing.its like watching a team full ov drag queens playing rugby.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion and i dont disagree with anyone who says were playing terribly this season, however whats to say we don't turn it around and finish the season strongly?

Oh and i think you should consider changing your user name

They look beaten as soon as they walk out the tunnel, and with Agar publicly criticising his senior players, I can't see that altering. Players have no faith in their coach and coach has no faith in his players, I can't see it been turned around any time soon.

To be fair I think if we had a top coach things wouldn't improve greatly.

Too many of the squad are either finished, average or just out of there depth. The only way we will move forward is by a clearout of the playing staff.

I thought this thread was going to be about Craig Hall's goal kicking for Widnes last game.

To be honest we need change. If the cost of change is seven 50 point thrashings then so be it. Short term pain for long term gain.

I can agree with that, but what about the flip side and we win the majority of remaining games will that change peoples opinions on the current set up at Hull? And I further agree if results don't change for the better then a new coaching set up is required!