yes we do lack quality players like i just said we are a bad bunch, yes of course i want to be a top side, but can you name one player we have that would replace a saints player in a top side?

Not strictly true that, is it? And rather disrespectful of the people on FC Voices who are giving up their own time to do something to at least [itry[/i and address the issue of communication with the board.

And HISA only has as much power as the fans are willing to give it. On current evidence that's the square root of f'kall. There's hardly been a rush of folk willing to take up Hutchie's offer to take over HISA, has there?

Much easier to just stand on the sidelines and snipe at people who have at least got off their backsides and done [isomething.[/i

kosh are u a member of fc voices? if so, are there certain questions that just wont be asked or answered by the board. i mean the type of questions maybe hisa would of asked? Im not having a go, just trying to find out what goes on

I'm not a member, but I've been involved with organisations that do a similar job in other fields and I know how it goes. I also know how hard it is when you are an unpaid volunteer group with little backing from your supposed support base trying to do the best you can in meetings with a larger organisation.

FC Voices ask the questions that fans send to them. If the fans don't want to engage with them then their usefulness is limited. HISA has the same trouble - it only has as much power as fans are willing to give it. There's nothing magic about the name or the organisation as such.

And if you want to know what happens at FC Voices meetings, why not ask them? Their names are hardly secret and many of them post on here. Despite what you seem to think, the members are just fans who want to do something for the rest of us - and who have actually succeeded in changing things for the better in a number of cases.

i dont think anything mate, im just trying to get a balanced veiwpoint of what goes on, im not even having ago at the members. im in favour of fc voices and would rather things went through there than having to set up an independant org. Im not an fc hater or a board hater, im just trying to understand why people are moaning so much lol

I have said that I would join the commitee on an earlier post