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Well done yesterday, close thing, tough luck, blah blah blah. But in all honesty what is happening to our game? Look at the scores over the weekend and then imagine what they could be in the summer months. The game is in need of something drastic or else we are going to end up with a game of tag and it's becoming boring.
I say the subject of contested scrums should be considered again to at least bring some consistency to them and stop the likes of wingers,centres,water carriers half heartedly bending their backs for a few seconds.

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Quote: The Trip "Well done yesterday, close thing, tough luck, blah blah blah. But in all honesty what is happening to our game? Look at the scores over the weekend and then imagine what they could be in the summer months. The game is in need of something drastic or else we are going to end up with a game of tag and it's becoming boring.
I say the subject of contested scrums should be considered again to at least bring some consistency to them and stop the likes of wingers,centres,water carriers half heartedly bending their backs for a few seconds.'"

Are you nuts man, the game will become slower, also the man with no hair on sky will love it, you will never shut him up

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Quote: The Trip "Well done yesterday, close thing, tough luck, blah blah blah. But in all honesty what is happening to our game? Look at the scores over the weekend and then imagine what they could be in the summer months. The game is in need of something drastic or else we are going to end up with a game of tag and it's becoming boring.
I say the subject of contested scrums should be considered again to at least bring some consistency to them and stop the likes of wingers,centres,water carriers half heartedly bending their backs for a few seconds.'"


I know exactly where you are comming from

These would also work.

1. Decrease 10 yard rule
2. keep 2 markers but allow them not to be square, this would also cut out quite a few penalties
3. bring back old rule where dummy half can't be tackled with ball

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Quote: The Trip "Well done yesterday, close thing, tough luck, blah blah blah. But in all honesty what is happening to our game? Look at the scores over the weekend and then imagine what they could be in the summer months. The game is in need of something drastic or else we are going to end up with a game of tag and it's becoming boring.
I say the subject of contested scrums should be considered again to at least bring some consistency to them and stop the likes of wingers,centres,water carriers half heartedly bending their backs for a few seconds.'"


I remember bringing up the subject of scrums being contested some time since.I wish they would in some respects but I wouldn't like to go back to 4 and 5 attempts at getting a scrum right as it would slow things down.
I think I'd go for reducing the 10 metres defence line to 5 metres. Might be a bit more entertaining with skill and creativity required to break the defence, a bit like the old days. I'm not saying there is no skill now but power and speed break the line as much as skill nowadays and all too easily as the OP points out with huge scores being the outcome!

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Quote: sandaltrinityfan "I remember bringing up the subject of scrums being contested some time since.I wish they would in some respects but I wouldn't like to go back to 4 and 5 attempts at getting a scrum right as it would slow things down.
I think I'd go for reducing the 10 metres defence line to 5 metres. Might be a bit more entertaining with skill and creativity required to break the defence, a bit like the old days. I'm not saying there is no skill now but power and speed break the line as much as skill nowadays and all too easily as the OP points out with huge scores being the outcome!'"


With the speed that good defences are up on the opposition these days, a 5 metre line would see you playing JK 2010/11 tactics every game. Power broke the line in the old days too - one of the reasons our Neil was so good at what he did. You'll always get poor teams, off days, and drubbings.

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Quote: RebelRebel "With the speed that good defences are up on the opposition these days, a 5 metre line would see you playing JK 2010/11 tactics every game. Power broke the line in the old days too - one of the reasons our Neil was so good at what he did. You'll always get poor teams, off days, and drubbings.'"


Yeah I agree that power was used by such a NF, usually from a slick pass by the likes of Poynton but I don't think we then had second row forwards built like centres (and vice versa) as in the modern game with 10 metres to run at the defence!
Take your point though about 5 drives and a kick and NO I don't want to go back to that, I'd rather things stay as they are!

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Quote: bazzo44 "Are you nuts man, the game will become slower, also the man with no hair on sky will love it, you will never shut him up'"

have a think Baz RU is far from slow
ask your self why the crowd levels have dropped so far from the sixties to what we have now,
we only have a few clubs that can boast a decent attendance and even 11-12k isn't something to brag about,
with the change in the game do you not think scrums are pathetic and could be the reason for some leaving the game

I'd have contested scrums back any day but that was part of what I grew up with

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Quote: snowie "have a think Baz RU is far from slow
ask your self why the crowd levels have dropped so far from the sixties to what we have now,
we only have a few clubs that can boast a decent attendance and even 11-12k isn't something to brag about,
with the change in the game do you not think scrums are pathetic and could be the reason for some leaving the game

I'd have contested scrums back any day but that was part of what I grew up with'"

Crowd levels have not dropped because of the scrums,crowds have dropped becaues there is more to do now on sundays. Kids do not go out of ther bedrooms, so thet are not going to go to the games. Years a go there was nothing to do on sundays so people went to watch rugby

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Quote: snowie "have a think Baz RU is far from slow
ask your self why the crowd levels have dropped so far from the sixties to what we have now,
we only have a few clubs that can boast a decent attendance and even 11-12k isn't something to brag about,
with the change in the game do you not think scrums are pathetic and could be the reason for some leaving the game

I'd have contested scrums back any day but that was part of what I grew up with'"


RU has too many stoppages, too many passages of play without players running with the ball in their hands. It's improved over recent years, but you can't compare it to league, even with a neutrals cap on. Contested scrums in league would be a waste of time. You'd need a completely different build of pack player for a start. Imagine our own forwards in contested scrums now - we'd never see the ball.

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Quote: bazzo44 "Crowd levels have not dropped because of the scrums,crowds have dropped becaues there is more to do now on sundays. Kids do not go out of ther bedrooms, so thet are not going to go to the games. Years a go there was nothing to do on sundays so people went to watch rugby'"



Sundays are for young uns. When I first started going it was Saturday afternoons and there were no such things as floodlights icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: jack in the box "
Sundays are for young uns. When I first started going it was Saturday afternoons and there were no such things as floodlights
Aye, and EVERY game kicked off at the same time (3:00) so no team had any advantage in league or cup by knowing what the other teams had done. And you got the sports paper (pink 'un or green 'un) the same evening with all the reports in - played hell with the colour of the fish and chips though!

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Did you lot never go to midweek games? Part-timers. icon_wink.gif

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I don't miss contested scrums - they were horrible, messy affairs and with todays athletes, would be a hotspot for injuries; aren't there moves afoot to change them in RU due to the number of neck injuries picked up by forwards?

The rules as they stand now are fine, if they are enforced properly; for example, stop players moving off the mark to ptb, which they now seem to do virtually every time, putting the markers out of position and obtaining an unfair advantage for the attacking side.

I'd also like to see the liberties that players take in the ruck dealt with - at present, the ref walks them through every step of clearing the ruck (held, movement, release etc) which results in the ridiculous spectacle of players clearly holding the tackled man down, whilst looking at the ref, waiting for him to issue the next instruction. Tackle the player, get up, let him the play the ball - or be penalised; it used to be simple.

Finally - find some way to deal with the now ubiquitous forward pass; in 2012, when your phone is more powerful than the computers that flew men to the moon, I refuse to believe there isn't a better way to ascertain if the ball has travelled forward, or not.

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Quote: bazzo44 "Crowd levels have not dropped because of the scrums,crowds have dropped becaues there is more to do now on sundays. Kids do not go out of ther bedrooms, so thet are not going to go to the games. Years a go there was nothing to do on sundays so people went to watch rugby'"

sundays whats that got to do with attendance levels icon_confused.gif

and I didn't say it because of scrums more than the way the change in game is played now a days.

scums are not scrums they are just cuddles that they can just peel off to get back into the game

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Quote: bren2k "I'd also like to see the liberties that players take in the ruck dealt with - at present, the ref walks them through every step of clearing the ruck (held, movement, release etc) which results in the ridiculous spectacle of players clearly holding the tackled man down, whilst looking at the ref, waiting for him to issue the next instruction.'"


Don't forget the tackled player holding on in an effort to make it appear as though the tackler will not release him. An equally ridiculous spectacle, and one that is more likely to milk a penalty.

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