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| Butcher:
Crazy game. We are just full of mistakes and it?s killing us. When I saw the team sheet I thought we were just going to try blow them away through the middle and complete high. But I think this is the first time Powell got his selection completely wrong, and was disappointed not to hear him mention that in his presser after the game. He said he was disappointed to hear the fans booing at half time because the lads were trying, but I think most were booing his choices.
Cam Scott was obviously put on the wing to make yards in our own end - which he did to an extent - but there?s so much more wingers are trained to do. Defending kicks, holding shape out wide, and finishing obviously. Scott couldn?t do any of that. I was also really disappointed with his non-attempt to close Hoy down for their first try.
Then picking such a big bench gave us no option to rejig at half time. If he doesn?t play Walmsley next week it?ll be a show of stubbornness.
I also think Griffin was a bad pick. He carries well but he?s so lazy - often shirks his responsibilities as third man in the tackle, and he?s quite easy to get around these days. But with Nikotemo now out again it looks likely he?ll keep his place. I?d be tempted to out Croft back in, and Vagana obviously.
And of course we need a half. Lino prefers playing down that right channel, and we all but ignored our left edge in good ball, which included our three biggest strike weapons against two of the worst defenders in SL. Again, for me that?s poor coaching. I?d like to see Max back at 6, with Rourke at 1. Otherwise, I?d like to see Stevenson get a shot, if he is ready.
But there were positives. Uele was good again, Nikotemo too, and Faatili completely changed the game. It was relief more than anything.
Agree Griffin did not even attempt to tackle Hoy before he started on is run that lead to there first try ..Scott is a second row he is slow at turning ,and should be no were near the wing .The spine is a joke at present with Pitts at 6 There is no organisations ,only kicking is going through LIno When I saw the team I was shocked why there was no Walmsly or Rourke ..Though we would struggle but I was shocked by how much .As said a top 6 team would have blown us away big time Think the forwards are some of the best I have seen as a pack ,but the back division we had out last night would have struggled in the Championship .
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Crazy game. We are just full of mistakes and it?s killing us. When I saw the team sheet I thought we were just going to try blow them away through the middle and complete high. But I think this is the first time Powell got his selection completely wrong, and was disappointed not to hear him mention that in his presser after the game. He said he was disappointed to hear the fans booing at half time because the lads were trying, but I think most were booing his choices.
Cam Scott was obviously put on the wing to make yards in our own end - which he did to an extent - but there?s so much more wingers are trained to do. Defending kicks, holding shape out wide, and finishing obviously. Scott couldn?t do any of that. I was also really disappointed with his non-attempt to close Hoy down for their first try.
Then picking such a big bench gave us no option to rejig at half time. If he doesn?t play Walmsley next week it?ll be a show of stubbornness.
I also think Griffin was a bad pick. He carries well but he?s so lazy - often shirks his responsibilities as third man in the tackle, and he?s quite easy to get around these days. But with Nikotemo now out again it looks likely he?ll keep his place. I?d be tempted to out Croft back in, and Vagana obviously.
And of course we need a half. Lino prefers playing down that right channel, and we all but ignored our left edge in good ball, which included our three biggest strike weapons against two of the worst defenders in SL. Again, for me that?s poor coaching. I?d like to see Max back at 6, with Rourke at 1. Otherwise, I?d like to see Stevenson get a shot, if he is ready.
But there were positives. Uele was good again, Nikotemo too, and Faatili completely changed the game. It was relief more than anything.
Agree Griffin did not even attempt to tackle Hoy before he started on is run that lead to there first try ..Scott is a second row he is slow at turning ,and should be no were near the wing .The spine is a joke at present with Pitts at 6 There is no organisations ,only kicking is going through LIno When I saw the team I was shocked why there was no Walmsly or Rourke ..Though we would struggle but I was shocked by how much .As said a top 6 team would have blown us away big time Think the forwards are some of the best I have seen as a pack ,but the back division we had out last night would have struggled in the Championship . Totally agree, Scott is a SR in my opinion too. For me, he simply doesn?thave the athletic ability to be a top line centre, never mind a winger. He is far too slow. I previously had my doubts about Pratt, but that lad uses his size to his advantage, he?s obscenely strong, carries like a freight train and his athletic capabilities are on another planet to Scott. Hall so far for me simply isn?t playing at SL level. I just think all you can do is go through the team, how they?re playing individually in their respective positions and be honest if you?d think they would start in another top 6 team. Hull Kr Hull Fc Wigan St?s Wire Leigh. After last night performance, not many would in my opinion. We are aspiring to be a top 6 team consistently over the next few years. We?ve got our forward recruitment really good, but lack real quality in the 3/4 line and wing position.
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| Not good to watch for large parts, but a win is a win. But come on if you'd offered me 4 wins out of 8 in February I'd have snapped your hand off. Yes it was a poor performance but look at the bigger picture where we are and where we've come from. We'll play better and loose and have done. So move on to Catalan where we'll need to go well to get anything.
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| I didn?t like to hear the fans booing, I?ve never boo?d the team I?m supporting at any level, very sad to see. Some our younger fans in the northstand are also a tad embarrassing, the flick the V?s at the cas fans and merchant bankers sign all the time is provocative at best, but totall unnessesary, many of these were the same ones booing our team. As for the game, I think the choice of scott on the wing and Pitts in the halves were totally wrong, Walmsley or Rourke on the wing would have been better with scott at Centre, but for me should have been walmsley with rourke at fullback and max in halves, having Pitts play there means we lost his effectiveness in the middle. Somehow we managed to get the win, but that was more down to Cas running out of gas rather than anything we did. Lastly, how can it take so many looks to overturn an on-field call of try with definitive proof, surely if it?s definitive it just takes one look and don?t get me started on the captains challenge, that needs binning off, I was always taught to respect the ref decision no matter what, all this does is adds fuel to the fire of doubting the ref. We all make errors and when a game is played at speed and so much going on, then surely we can for give a ref for the odd indiscretion, I?d rather the marshalled the ruck and high tackles more consistently than question decision's.
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| Faatili was massive last night, his strong carries took a lot out of Cas and up there why we edged it in my eyes
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| I don?t see peoples infatuation with playing Max at 6.
He is head and shoulders the best full back and we just lose too much with him not in his natural position. Further proved his contribution in scoring the try that brought us back level.
Why people want to upset the spine more I don?t know but I get the feeling it?s more to fit Rourke into the team. I like Rourke but he?ll have to play elsewhere while Max is fit.
I agree about the wing spot and Pitts though.
More importantly we need another halfback to link between Lino and Jowitt. Once we have this I think our attack will begin to fire and execute much better again.
The simplest answer is just to bring in a 6 and your spine is back to 100%.
If there?s no 6 available to bring in we will have to use one from academy or reserves short term instead of Pitts.
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| The result was so much more important than the performance. Like TJ said , now he is back at Wakey the one thing he wanted to get off his back was the home defeats to them over the last few years. Now that is done I am more confident about Magic than before. Also its nice to say that we played below our normal standard and come away with a win, we just cannot handle going in to games as pre match favourites. What does need addressing straight away , is a half back partner for Lino, he needs help with someone with pace at the side of him to give him time to bring the forwards and backs in to cohesion. A special mention to the replacements in the 2nd half , they changed the result.
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The result was so much more important than the performance. Like TJ said , now he is back at Wakey the one thing he wanted to get off his back was the home defeats to them over the last few years. Now that is done I am more confident about Magic than before. Also its nice to say that we played below our normal standard and come away with a win, we just cannot handle going in to games as pre match favourites. What does need addressing straight away , is a half back partner for Lino, he needs help with someone with pace at the side of him to give him time to bring the forwards and backs in to cohesion. A special mention to the replacements in the 2nd half , they changed the result.
One got man of match, but though when Smith came on he was a big contributor to change the game ,The extra speed he brought to the spine got us back in the game.And got his reward with a brave try .Not having a go at Hood who was a bit quiet ,but maybe a 10 ,15 minutes spell in the first half could have made a difference. But Smith contribution did show the lack of pace in the spine last night .But good to see we hopefully got a star of the future No substitute for pace
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| I agree with a lot of the most recent posts.
In my opinion Powell is getting it wrong playing Pitts at 6. It needs to be a player who can play as a recognised half back with genuine pace and a kicking passing game.
Due to injuries unfortunately that is our first choice full back. Playing Rourke at 1 and Jowitt at 6 is stronger than playing Pitts at 6 and Jowitt at 1. If Lino gets injured during a game as solitary half back Trinity are up creek without a paddle?
Pitts is a 13. Understandably where does Cozza then play?
Playing Scott on wing instead of Walmsley was another mistake and was targeted by Cas. Out of position a few times and not quick enough?
Trinity need genuine pace outwide and Walmsley gives that.
Resilience got them over the line just but they need to quickly learn lessons?..
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| All our play in the second half came from the interplay between forwards. Lovely passing moves, especially when Cozza came back on.
I felt for Scott; he is not a winger. To be fair he had some good moments in the second half (tackle into touch for one). It was such a crazy call by Powell.
Griffin should never start instead of Vagana. Vagana offers so much more. Yes he made a few mistakes last week, but surely we are meant to give youngsters a chance. Dropping him is no help.
Next week, Hall to centre and Walmsley wing for me. Vagana instead of Griffin. Rourke in at 6 or fullback (then Max moves to 6).
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| At the end of the day Rourke would?ve been better at 1 than having Pitts at 6. Stevenson I think is a couple of years away from making the step up.
I think Powell needs to decide who gets the other centre spot out of Hall/Scott instead of shoehorning both in.
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| Willzay:
At the end of the day Rourke would?ve been better at 1 than having Pitts at 6. Stevenson I think is a couple of years away from making the step up.
I think Powell needs to decide who gets the other centre spot out of Hall/Scott instead of shoehorning both in.
I don?t think he would?ve at all. I like Roarke but he?s not got the skills of Jowitt and we lose far too much at full back without Jowitt at 1. You?d just be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Stevenson may be a bit away from a step up but he?d be better than Pitts at 6 and I?d gather we could compensate for 1 young player in the team. That would be last resort though, I?d much rather us bring in a 6 short term and problem sorted. Agree about Hall/Scott though. I said to a few people when Pratt didn?t get the starting shirt that he would force his way in and nobody would dislodge him from first team. They?ll have to fight over the other spot. No Farrimond again for Wigan. He would be a good short term fix up.
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