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Quote: PopTart "I'm pretty sure of 2 things
1) he didn't say not to give constructive criticism
2) there has been no constructive criticism raised as far as I can see so no need to worry.'"


I don't dispute his right to feel how he does, given some of the stuff that gets thrown around, and I would feel the same way. I just don't think he should voice it.

He's in the sales business, selling entertainment. No one in the sales business outwardly moans about how their customers feel about their products or their "shopping journey", or whatever email surveys call them now. They ask themselves how they can improve the experience, how they can communicate the improvements, and how they can increase the enjoyment for their customers.

To some extent, he has done that, by providing an improved ground. But his magazine comments were along the lines of "stop having a go at us and the players, it only makes a bad situation worse", and he has in the past, and it just rubs peoples' backs up. It did mine, and I am broadly supportive of how everything seems.

We just can't afford to lose any of the support we have. Thank the fans for the passion they have and make them feel valued, even if he doesn't mean it.

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Quote: PopTart "Thanks for explaining the difference between criticism and constructive criticism Manuel.'"


Does anyone outside know that it's our 150th year ?
It's a huge milestone and we're keeping quiet about it.

The irony of the stadium upgrade, just as we succumb to relegation is awful.

The taking of players on 2 week loan deals also seems crazy, what on earth does this do to the remaining squad members.
They need to believe that if they train hard, they will get their chance but, the short term loan deals must be like a kick in the nuts.

All we have done is help other clubs improve the fitness of their squads, while we demotivate our own players.

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Some sycophants can’t see the wood for the trees. We are all fans and naturally expect better from its custodians. Remove the sand pit so heads are viewing what is happening.

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Quote: PopTart "I'm pretty sure of 2 things
1) he didn't say not to give constructive criticism
2) there has been no constructive criticism raised as far as I can see so no need to worry.'"


He seems to be missing the point as re. 'criticism.' As do a lot of others. First of all, when football, rugby, fans of any sporting club say something like, God we are crap....clearly that's not constructive, but it's not supposed to be!! It's people venting their frustration, anger, despondency at their teams performances. You can go back to Victorian times when paying 'spectators' used to throw tomatoes at stage performers because they were unhappy with what they were seeing, having paid their hard earned to witness a 'performance.' That's just the way it is, right or wrong. He's very naïve if he thinks that fans aren't going to have a go. It's like he's created this world where, you can only speak when things are going well, just give praise, but when things go wrong, say nothing at all?!

Wakefield Trinity compared to Premier league football is obviously small fry, Spurs actually refunded the fans who travelled to Newcastle the other week because they gave a sub-standard performance. I think there has been some who have tried to be constructive at times, instead of just saying we are rubbish, but the longer the losing run goes on, how can you find ANYTHING constructive or positive to say about on field performances?! You would have to make things up just for the sake of positivity..... a014.gif

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Quote: Wildmoggy "He seems to be missing the point as re. 'criticism.' As do a lot of others. First of all, when football, rugby, fans of any sporting club say something like, God we are crap....clearly that's not constructive, but it's not supposed to be!! It's people venting their frustration, anger, despondency at their teams performances. You can go back to Victorian times when paying 'spectators' used to throw tomatoes at stage performers because they were unhappy with what they were seeing, having paid their hard earned to witness a 'performance.' That's just the way it is, right or wrong. He's very naïve if he thinks that fans aren't going to have a go. It's like he's created this world where, you can only speak when things are going well, just give praise, but when things go wrong, say nothing at all?!

Wakefield Trinity compared to Premier league football is obviously small fry, Spurs actually refunded the fans who travelled to Newcastle the other week because they gave a sub-standard performance. I think there has been some who have tried to be constructive at times, instead of just saying we are rubbish, but the longer the losing run goes on, how can you find ANYTHING constructive or positive to say about on field performances?! You would have to make things up just for the sake of positivity.....
I completely agree.

But the criticism isn't always like that.
Even in this thread it is "he is crap" and "he did this on purpose because he wants to take us to championship"
When people either make things up or draw a conclusion based on nothing but their own agenda but post it as a fact......it isn't the same as you describe.

But I also agree with Slugger, he should choose where he says that a little better.

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Quote: PopTart "I completely agree.

But the criticism isn't always like that.
Even in this thread it is "he is crap" and "he did this on purpose because he wants to take us to championship"
When people either make things up or draw a conclusion based on nothing but their own agenda but post it as a fact......it isn't the same as you describe.

But I also agree with Slugger, he should choose where he says that a little better.'"


I agree that things have been said about MC that just aren't true, and you do wonder what some people's motives are. I don't do Facebook or Twitter, but i'm aware of some of the stuff posted, and clearly personal abuse etc is not on, and they should be dealt with accordingly, but as with every social media platforms, that rarely happens..... icon_cry.gif

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Quote: Wildmoggy "I agree that things have been said about MC that just aren't true, and you do wonder what some people's motives are. I don't do Facebook or Twitter, but i'm aware of some of the stuff posted, and clearly personal abuse etc is not on, and they should be dealt with accordingly, but as with every social media platforms, that rarely happens.....
What’s been said about Carter that you know not to be true?

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Quote: The Avenger "What’s been said about Carter that you know not to be true?'"


I saw something a few days ago that I won’t repost on here but let’s just say it was swiftly removed and a good job it was too.

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The bloke states he is only wanting justified constructive criticism , OK fair enough I could go with that. However I would also like to hear some truthful apologies from Carter. I would like to hear him being honest and accept he has made numerous bad recruitment calls that has lead to the state we are in. However , he will never admit that and all he says is that we don't have any money. When he mans up and accepts he is not qualified or skilled enough to be CEO/Rugby director, he will get far more respect I would imagine

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12/12. Jokers the lot of em.

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Quote: Willzay "12/12. Jokers the lot of em.'"


Couldn't agree more

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I've seen us lose 12 on the bounce before, bit this feels different, even during that Harbin run in 2001 there was still hope, and it culminated in that crazy day in Salford. I have none now.

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Complete and utter incompetence at every level within the club from the board to the players.

All we have left is a bunch of muppets with bloated egos and a distinct lack of talent or recognition of the situation the club is in

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I remember that Salford night KK. Can’t see it happening again. We are utter gash to the core. Depressing.

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Quote: Manuel "I remember that Salford night KK. Can’t see it happening again. We are utter gash to the core. Depressing.'"
Quote: Manuel "Complete and utter incompetence at every level within the club from the board to the players.

All we have left is a bunch of muppets with bloated egos and a distinct lack of talent or recognition of the situation the club is in'"


Totally agree on all of this.

I do feel resigned now that we are gone.

A real sad time for this once great club.

Carter has always said he makes decisions on behalf of the club, which is in theor best interests.

He now needs to make two more, both for the benefit, one to wake up and smell the coffee regarding Mash, and another, which is also for a bit of self preservation

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