Come on, seriously?! I totally agree that it's criminal that others are just watching, but surely at some point Max should hook his leg, and do a Cumberland throw, anything, even if he's penalised it's better than conceding a try? It looked terrible.

I'm sure your right, you could argue that we've lost every game this season because of our shocking goal line defence, insert any team you want that we've lost to this season except that Toulouse are our main rivals that's what hurts the most, I was not blaming Lino directly for missing the kicks but as I said just trying to put a bit of perspective on the game, it's what it is.

What do you class as a clearout?! Hampshire, Senior, Arundel, Green, 2 Woods all played in the final game of last season when we put 40 on Hull, and they played in the last few games, they've all gone, and 8 have been brought in. Who would you have retained? For me just Hampshire, yet we are no better off, at least up to press anyway.

Lyne baffles me nowadays. It's a real dilemma whether I prefer to see Willie stick with him or give Croft a go.

The fact that other players didn’t get involved is bad on them but doesn’t excuse Max from his child like attempt at tackling
I didn't comment on Max trying but failing miserably with the cover tackle because he did at least put an effort in. My comment mentioned the awful goal line defence where he, novice like, lost his hips and got beat by a simple step.

I’m not placing all the blame at Maxs feet but he was prominent in the conceding of those 2 (3) trys

I regret this attempt is nothing compared to the try scored by Castleford against us.

Wasn’t having a pop chissitt , our attack has been dire for a long time ,we seem better at the long range or off the cuff ones than when we are camped on the opposition line as we just can’t prize an opening,the passes seem laboured and everything seems telegraphed to the opposition and second faze is non existent, It must be a real headache as well as a dilemma for Poching

The hunger certainly seems to have faded from his game ,but as an elder statesmen would poching drop him ? , It certainly wouldn’t do him any harm imo and may shake him up to the fact no one is irreplaceable, especially when their game and the club is suffering.These old heads are looked up to by the youngsters in our ranks and as such should be leading the charge from the front , maybe realistically only big dave and Johnstone ( when actually on the field) are in that category at present ,and can get the team on the front foot with a rampaging run from dave or an acrobatic dive from Johnstone.

I don't really agree. Lyne might be getting frustrated but when it's going wrong he's the one souting the odds. He's also the one who makes ground when we are in trouble.
I'm sure he'd like a nice clean ball in space for a change.

Think he as one clean ball in space all season .Wires in the cup .he finished that one well Some fans expect to much .

I think i'd expect a bit more from a current England international.

A England international that as 3 or 4 players on him when he receives the ball .Still far in front of Croft another on that looks good on paper

I don't get the MJ bashing at all,The tackle he didn't make was against the most elusive young players Ash-bolt there his so just go and watch the magic weekend game against Hudds and you'll see,Nobody has mention before Toulouse scored that winning try that we were on they line and Hood again made a wrong decision to pass to corey hall with players on him instead of giving it to the half backs to put more pressure on, But no guess what happen we gave a penalty away resulting them getting field position and they ended up scoring.

So it's easy to blame players isn't it

Another Chester signing .

Only just back from Toulouse.
Great trip, shame about the rugby.
Without trawling the full thread, it was utterly baffling that with 9 minutes to go in a tight contest, NOBODY though to slot a DG over.
Of course, Toulouse scored a try and eventually won the game by 6 but, IF we had edged in front, the pressure would have shifted to them.

There was (very) little between the two sides, which is probably a worry in itself but, Toulouse are improving and we, unfortunately are still going in the opposite direction.

We're certainly lacking some leadership on the field and more importantly some organisation.

The effort was certainly there and it was bloody hot but, there were the usual errors.
Not finding touch from a penalty and backing up errors with penalties are costing us massively

As for Ashall Bolt, he was their best player when we played them at BV and managed to score 2 try's at the weekend.

Hopefully we can scrape over the line at Leeds on Friday