FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Wakefield Trinity > John Kear
155 posts in 11 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing
RankPostsTeam
International Star5046
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201411 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
72289_1398805144.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_72289.jpg



Quote: TRB "We now have Jonathan Flatman - who previously worked at Hull FC.

Very bright lad, but his role is more supportive of Michael & Chris than leadership on the rugby front.'"


Once of London Scholars??

TRB
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10926
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2021Feb 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
15993_1515231183.jpeg
[color=#400000:2dasnjxb]"Wakefields Sporting Crusader"[/color:2dasnjxb] [b:2dasnjxb][color=#FF0000:2dasnjxb]For the latest details on the Stadium for Wakefield campaign, log onto [url:2dasnjxb]http://www.swag-online.co.uk[/url:2dasnjxb][/color:2dasnjxb][/b:2dasnjxb] [b:2dasnjxb][color=#0000FF:2dasnjxb]For the latest details on the Supporters Trust, log onto [url:2dasnjxb]http://wakefield.rlfans.com[/url:2dasnjxb][/color:2dasnjxb][/b:2dasnjxb]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_15993.jpeg



Quote: The Avenger "Once of London Scholars??'"


Ooh, don't know about that.

He talks a good game! icon_wink.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach6293
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
31007_1580947500.jpg
EVENTUALLY, WE'LL WIN SOMETHING, ,MAYBE, IF I'M STILL ALIVE THEN:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_31007.jpg



Like someone said previously, under Kear's regime we had a good squad and we attracted crowds. His teams play in a very structured way, and you need players like Brough to excite that. Tim Smith is perfectly capable of doing that, if those around him show the effort. He was stymied eventually by the collapse of the Thornes Park ground notion, as that brought about administration. But even with the team that followed, the bunch of kids and lower league try-hards, we did well enough. Was often a bit dull, but with little talent in the squad, we had no choice to play in a structured way. You can only play with what you have.

As someone has said, Kear has enough experience to bring more than just a coaching role. He might bring his knowledge of the game too.

People say why would he or Morrison leave steady jobs. Because they like to challenge themselves. That's why he took the job in 2006. The squad was probably better then, because there seemed to be a lot of unity in the squad, with a lot of antipodean players who socialised together away from the club (look at how Obst and Semi followed JD to Northern Pride), but our current squad is no way a poor squad. It's hard to fathom why it's gone so wrong.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2217
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024May 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
19733_1343563234.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_19733.jpg



Quote: TRB "Ooh, don't know about that.

He talks a good game!
I'm always suspicious of coaches that talk a good game. Agar, Cullen and Millward was champions of talking a good game, theory and practice was always out of sink with them.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach11580
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Sep 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: The Dreadnought "Excuse me for not knowing; does Mopsey like Kear? If not why?'"


Loves him to bits really, just too stubborn to admit it icon_biggrin.gif

TRB
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10926
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2021Feb 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
15993_1515231183.jpeg
[color=#400000:2dasnjxb]"Wakefields Sporting Crusader"[/color:2dasnjxb] [b:2dasnjxb][color=#FF0000:2dasnjxb]For the latest details on the Stadium for Wakefield campaign, log onto [url:2dasnjxb]http://www.swag-online.co.uk[/url:2dasnjxb][/color:2dasnjxb][/b:2dasnjxb] [b:2dasnjxb][color=#0000FF:2dasnjxb]For the latest details on the Supporters Trust, log onto [url:2dasnjxb]http://wakefield.rlfans.com[/url:2dasnjxb][/color:2dasnjxb][/b:2dasnjxb]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_15993.jpeg



Quote: deeHell "I'm always suspicious of coaches that talk a good game. Agar, Cullen and Millward was champions of talking a good game, theory and practice was always out of sink with them.'"


He's not the coach though - so we're ok!

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4980No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2023Oct 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
23909.gif
'That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party.... So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin':23909.gif



Quote: vastman "Don't agree with you on that one, remember this is a club where very little has been rose tinted in our lifetimes so I think it's a fair reflection of what we remember - stop listening to Mopsey
2007 and 2008 especially were really enjoyable. Seems a life time ago now. I can't believe Kear won't get something out of this squad with the pack we have

RankPostsTeam
International Star17952
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp006.gif
:simpsons/simp006.gif



Quote: Schunter "2007 and 2008 especially were really enjoyable. Seems a life time ago now. I can't believe Kear won't get something out of this squad with the pack we have'"


Agreed

I think the squad as a whole is far better than we've had for the past 2/3 years and although the comp is harder with 12 clubs (instead of 14), we should be competitive with the bottom 5/6 clubs and not cut adrift after 13 games (albeit with a game in hand)

A bit of belief and some defensive structure and we can start to compete.

Wakefield have had to defy the odds for al of their time in SL and it's no different now.
Stand up and be counted and lets see w hat happens !

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member117No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2017Aug 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

Jimmy Ledgard would have caught that.:



Tim Smith - player/coach.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1253
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
46371.jpg
:46371.jpg



Quote: Nineoiler "Tim Smith - player/coach.'"


Strange thought. Personally when Mr Carter was talking about players not bothered about losing to Leigh in the dressing room Tim Smith was the first to pop into my head.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach387
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



If we got JK as the coach he would use the squad directly in front of him, which may stop the younger players getting in to the 1st team. He used the experienced players last time to keep us in superleague & I think he would do the same again.
But there are few coaches around who can get immediate results like JK did last time around.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach36072
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
10363_1334937642.jpg
SUPPORT SWAG...:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10363.jpg



Quote: westgaterunner "If we got JK as the coach he would use the squad directly in front of him, which may stop the younger players getting in to the 1st team. He used the experienced players last time to keep us in superleague & I think he would do the same again.
But there are few coaches around who can get immediate results like JK did last time around.'"


In Kears defence when he was here players like Walllshaw and Anakin and the rest were not really ready if we are honest.

We can only speculate as to whether Anakin and Wallshaw who were probably cream of the crop would have faired under him in the last few years. It's fair to say that the Academy winning team was a TEAM rather than a collection of young stars so I'd not have expected it to yield more than 2-3 SL players - It wasn't like the Leeds team that produced Burrows etc, they were virtually all SL bound no matter what as they were the best youngsters around at the time - we could never afford that.

What is for certain is that JK combined with Steve Ferres would have unearthed a number of hidden gems from numerous other clubs as well - why because they know the players and where they come from.

The easiest way to rectify Kears perceived weakness on the junior front is to force him to work closer with a recognised youth coach who prepares his players in a way they cannot be ignored.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach11580
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Sep 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: vastman "In Kears defence when he was here players like Walllshaw and Anakin and the rest were not really ready if we are honest.

We can only speculate as to whether Anakin and Wallshaw who were probably cream of the crop would have faired under him in the last few years. It's fair to say that the Academy winning team was a TEAM rather than a collection of young stars so I'd not have expected it to yield more than 2-3 SL players

The easiest way to rectify Kears perceived weakness on the junior front is to force him to work closer with a recognised youth coach who prepares his players in a way they cannot be ignored.'"


Sorry vasty but the only thing you've got right here is the bit about Kears perceived weakness, when it came to that winning team he was clueless, besides Annakin and Walshaw there was Tom Harrington, Adam Slater, Adam Gledhill, Matty Wilde, Danny Cowling, Dale Morton, Cain Southerwood, I saw Harrington at Stanningley embarrass Callum Watkins he was that much better, and I saw those players at Cas destroy the much shouted about Cas youngsters including Clark, Milner, Holmes, and the like.
We had a recognised youth coach in Tony Drury one of the best there was who spent 3 years assisted by Rich Hampshire working to achieve their success, unfortunately John Kear was not interested in polishing these gifted youngsters into gems, only the finished article and that's why these lads were left to drift off along, thanks in the main to James Elston who also got rid of Tony as well, they were a collection of young individual stars who only needed taking forward a bit more but unfortunately it did not happen to the detriment of the club.

RankPostsTeam
International Star180No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201410 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2016Jan 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Cannot agree with that Chissitt.
Wildie had loads of opportunity at Wakefield and is now playing at the appropriate level, as are Morton, Cowling and Southernwood.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach36072
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
10363_1334937642.jpg
SUPPORT SWAG...:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10363.jpg



Quote: chissitt "Sorry vasty but the only thing you've got right here is the bit about Kears perceived weakness, when it came to that winning team he was clueless, besides Annakin and Walshaw there was Tom Harrington, Adam Slater, Adam Gledhill, Matty Wilde, Danny Cowling, Dale Morton, Cain Southerwood, I saw Harrington at Stanningley embarrass Callum Watkins he was that much better, and I saw those players at Cas destroy the much shouted about Cas youngsters including Clark, Milner, Holmes, and the like.
We had a recognised youth coach in Tony Drury one of the best there was who spent 3 years assisted by Rich Hampshire working to achieve their success, unfortunately John Kear was not interested in polishing these gifted youngsters into gems, only the finished article and that's why these lads were left to drift off along, thanks in the main to James Elston who also got rid of Tony as well, they were a collection of young individual stars who only needed taking forward a bit more but unfortunately it did not happen to the detriment of the club.'"


No I haven't got it wrong because that's more or less what I said.

It is a perceived weakness because some would argue that Kears use of seasoned players is correct - Kear for a start.

You've hit the nail on the head with Drury and as you say that was Elston. Without correct management a Coach like water will always take the easiest route to suit him. There should have been structured and above all "Chaired" meetings regarding youth selection. Getting rid of your successful Youth coach sends out a poor message,

Again regarding these plays Tom Harrington, Adam Slater, Adam Gledhill, Matty Wilde, Danny Cowling, Dale Morton, Cain Southerwood - Sorry but Kear probably right in most cases, Wilde was never good enough and got plenty of chances as did Morton who is with Kear now isn't he?. The others probably deserved better but again were any ready in 2011? Gledhill and Elston between them pressed the self destruct button there if I recall. As for Southernwood I'm not having that one my friend you and I both know there was a huge attitude issue there even Mopsey states that.

This all goes back to the experience of the CEO. He has to enforce onto JK should he get the gig that long term youth development is paramount and he will be judged on it. Even in the murky world of RL that's possible. Worth noting that youth is always long term and as we are virtually starting from zero again this may take a while.

It really is a shame what happened to that team - but Kear has always been Kear and will remain so unsupervised which of course is why we have a BOD icon_wink.gif

155 posts in 11 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing
155 posts in 11 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.42822265625:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0m
New Players
Deadcowboys1
73
11m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
ComeOnYouUll
3084
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2310
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
14s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40077
17s
York City Knights home
Trojan Horse
48
21s
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Blotto
3
28s
New Players
Deadcowboys1
73
36s
Film game
karetaker
3668
43s
Club Statement
UllFC
49
43s
Batley H
Bullseye
14
1m
Realistic targets for 2025
CarlB
25
1m
Todays game v Giants
Barbed Wire
52
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2310
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Playoff Semi Final
NickyKiss
2
TODAY
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Blotto
3
TODAY
Shareholders Meeting
Scarlet Pimp
4
TODAY
James Clark
Jake the Peg
6
TODAY
Le Cats at home - Los Alomos Custers Last Stand
Hasbag
15
TODAY
Realistic targets for 2025
CarlB
25
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 27
Rixy
2
TODAY
Club Statement
UllFC
49
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside York Knights Challenge
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Old FC when we knew how to play rugby
mk_fc
5
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition London Home
Wire Weaver
2
TODAY
Dons v Widnes - Sunday 15 September 2024
Kick and cha
6
TODAY
Catalans Keep Season Alive With Victory Over The Broncos
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
A new low
Jo Jumbuck
3
TODAY
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And Send Hull FC Bottom
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Points difference
orangeman
15
TODAY
Toulouse away
faxcar
19
TODAY
Todays game v Giants
Barbed Wire
52
TODAY
Staying or Not
fanstanningl
19
TODAY
Salford H Moved to Thursday
NickyKiss
26
TODAY
North Stand
NickyKiss
22
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
553
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
353
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
352
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
446
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
882
Salford Close In On The Play O..
858
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
987
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
944
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
988
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1211
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1295
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1395
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
1339
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1578
Five Into Three - Our Top Six ..
2162