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Given the current state of our squad this was a poor signing, with no disrespect to Molloy as I have never seen the lad play, but the back row was the last place we needed to strengthen!
Mariano has the potential to be a quality second row forward and he needs to be out there playing. Mellars is another who for me should continue in the side at Wigan he was one of our best players, and I'm sorry but if someone plays well, particularly against Wigan you keep them in the team!
I believe Agar has dropped a clanger here and looks to be forming a squad of yes men, personalities will always clash, but you cant just drop someone as they wont agree with you.

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If you compare the two player's background, they are poles apart. Molloy been at Wigan and Hudds, by the sound of it, has the right attitude. Possibly willing to play for peanuts this year, in the hope of proving himself and getting a contract upgrade for next year. Mariano released by HKR and picked up by us when we were scratching around for players. 6 into 3 spots doesn't work, but as was posted on another thread about the team being 'lazy', got to have good back up with the right attitude to keep starting 3 on their toes. Annakin and Molly must have this and Mariano can't have.

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Quote: 4foxsake "Given the current state of our squad this was a poor signing, with no disrespect to Molloy as I have never seen the lad play, but the back row was the last place we needed to strengthen!
Mariano has the potential to be a quality second row forward and he needs to be out there playing. Mellars is another who for me should continue in the side at Wigan he was one of our best players, and I'm sorry but if someone plays well, particularly against Wigan you keep them in the team!
[sizeI believe Agar has dropped a clanger here and looks to be forming a squad of yes men, personalities will always clash, but you cant just drop someone as they wont agree with you[/size.'"


And you know all this how icon_rolleyes.gif

Last bit is pure opinion and conjecture nothing more.

Also 4foxsake the name belongs to the fanzine of the same name, why are you using it?

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I have no idea what going on with FM, its been suggested he may be lazy or he may be cutting corners.

Can anyone explain if that was the case with Ellis when he could not get a sniff in the team.

Just asking like.

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Quote: El Rey "I have no idea what going on with FM, its been suggested he may be lazy or he may be cutting corners.

Can anyone explain if that was the case with Ellis when he could not get a sniff in the team.

Just asking like.'"


No idea. Personally think Ellis was about making a point and he was the pawn, but it's just a guess.

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Quote: 4foxsake "Given the current state of our squad this was a poor signing, with no disrespect to Molloy as I have never seen the lad play, but the back row was the last place we needed to strengthen!
Mariano has the potential to be a quality second row forward and he needs to be out there playing. Mellars is another who for me should continue in the side at Wigan he was one of our best players, and I'm sorry but if someone plays well, particularly against Wigan you keep them in the team!
I believe Agar has dropped a clanger here and looks to be forming a squad of yes men, personalities will always clash, but you cant just drop someone as they wont agree with you.'"


Are you suggesting he gathers a team who don't want to follow him?
Seems to me a team of yes men, when you are asking them to run through brick walls is exactly what you need.

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Saturday's game gives Molloy, Mariano an Mellars a big chance to put themselves top of the list for regular first team selection. Would like to see Mellars back in the centre. A full game from Mariano, and Molloy to play at least an hour.

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Of FM I would say that it takes 2 to tango. Perhaps FM does need to up his game, but perhaps also - after a year and a half of being a second choice - he feels a little let down and disconnected from the club / coaching staff? I really don't know. I would also note that there is nothing to suggest or confirm that FM may be leaving - just people putting 2 and 2 together....

Of LW I would note that the kid has issues away from the rugby field which are personal and important to him. I don't think lack of ability comes into it, but perhaps RL is not his immediate priority in life.

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Quote: TRB "Of FM I would say that it takes 2 to tango. Perhaps FM does need to up his game, but perhaps also - after a year and a half of being a second choice - he feels a little let down and disconnected from the club / coaching staff? I really don't know. I would also note that there is nothing to suggest or confirm that FM may be leaving - just people putting 2 and 2 together....

Of LW I would note that the kid has issues away from the rugby field which are personal and important to him. I don't think lack of ability comes into it, but perhaps RL is not his immediate priority in life.'"

Listening to some Fev fans at work Frankie is heading their way. eusa_think.gif

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Quote: Big lads mate "Listening to some Fev fans at work Frankie is heading their way.
Maybe - I think it would be a shame, but then I don't know how serious the situation has become.

If he goes, we move on. We've let better go!

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Quote: PopTart "Are you suggesting he gathers a team who don't want to follow him?
Seems to me a team of yes men, when you are asking them to run through brick walls is exactly what you need.'"


No I am not, its a tricky area to be honest. At the top level of any sport you will have disagreement's within the squad and between players and coaches. That on its own is not enough to drop/bench a player. A case point would by the England cricket team and KP. It just seems to me that some players under Agar get a very limited look in, e.g. Mellars and Mariano, Andy Ellis, Steve Southern (did he even actually get a game at second row), Walshaw... While others regardless of performances continue to stay in the first 17.

Oh and Vastman, I use the name 4foxsake as he is one of my sporting heroes, because I am proud that he played for my city's team and quite simply because I like the saying! But in future I will remember to ask your permission. a014.gif

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Quote: TRB "Maybe - I think it would be a shame, but then I don't know how serious the situation has become.

If he goes, we move on. We've let better go!'"

In a nutshell this.

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Hope Mariano pulls up trees this weekend, stays and knuckles down. He has real ability as well as the obvious strength, size and speed for a big bloke. Just not consistent enough at minute. Also hope Molloy is a master piee of a signing although still don't understand it would have preferred another prop like Poore.

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Quote: asmadasa "would have preferred another prop like Poore.'"


I don't think it's an either/or - if we've signed Molloy and are letting someone go to make room, that won't stop us looking to bring in another prop; it may even help, given that Molloy will doubtless be cheaper than either of the players who are rumoured to be on the way out. It might even free up some resource to secure Anakin for example, which seems to be almost universally regarded as a good idea.

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Just can't think who LW is TRB.
Can you remind me please?

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