I remember Aaron Murphy pulling off something similar against Bradford in 2010 and the try was given.

Indeed, what does it matter if the ref calls it wring on the field. Having said that we benefited last week with Ashurst.

Yet many will say the lads gave in.

Saints make us pay for another error from Lyne.

But we did have field position early on and just gave the ball up.
Westerman's kick being a perfect example.

33 games
28 losses
5 wins
15.1% win record

33 games is plenty to make an informed judgement about the current coaches ability at this level.

Nobody gave in but, Saints were just (a lot) better.
Not much else to say really.

Yeah, a perfect example of none of the players having a clue what`s going on! There was no chase what so ever was there? Quality sides have that understanding with each other but we have not understanding imo.

Lols. Ok. When we have had a strong pack he has been able to play shorter spells and do less work. But when you carry weight you run out of gas faster. In a team being run over every week, his lack of cardiovascular fitness shows. He's not alone. He's just the worst example. You look at those st helens forwards. All lean muscle mass. Westerman, kopjack, Fifita... overweight. Just not fit enough. All 3 need to shed fat, especially as they are older too in two cases. I think it's Why lack of scrums and repeat 6 has really exposed us

I detest him, boorish Essex boy who got a lucky break.

That's the worrying thing though isn't it Wren? 100% effort but no where near?

Effort alone is not enough ... talent , coaching , direction is also needed . Shocking comments from Chester ..... didn’t think anyone had a bad attitude we just weren’t good enough .

That's exactly my point old boy.

30 missed tackles, 65% completion rate.