To use that word about anyone is out of order.

sorry your affended, maybe I'm not as articulate as you!!

Guys its just frustration and its gone, lets leave it be.

Nothing to do with being articulate, fair enough offering opinions on a players game but to resort to personal insults suggests that you don't really have an informed opinion.

I think alot of the problem lies with the expectation around Ryan.
Because he has had a taste of International football we all expect him to do it week in week out, but the fact he has made the international side is more to do with the quality we (England) have availible and unfortunately not to do with his level of performance.
Despite recent comments i would probably still have him around joint 4th with Yeaman in the list of English centres (although Welham at HKR and Gilmour may dispute that) but like i say there is not that much competition.
The fact that Gilmour even makes the top 5 or 6 and that Senior is still at the top tells you the standard!

I have said it before and i will say it again, depending on what he is like under the high ball, he is a WINGER

I agree with the comment, if he were to leave for Leeds i am pretty sure he would look good, but that doesnt make him a top player. I judge a player on how good they would be in a side like Wakey. Sinfield for example would be no more than average.

Demetriou was a centre throughout his career before being moved to the pack in his 30’s. Atkins doesn’t have the same attitude as Demetriou to make a go of it in the pack but I think he would make an excellent wing man. For a club like Leeds or Saints he would look a world beater at centre but at the moment Trinity are attacking with a man down when they break down Atkins wing. The opposition know he isn’t going to pass so can they afford to put more men into the tackle to combat his strength therefore nullifying his greatest attribute.

Demetriou has been used on the wing, George has been used on the Wing, Murphy has been used on the wing, even Grix has been used on the wing. I see no reason why you can’t try something different with Atkins which may benefit the whole team. For a start it means one extra man when Trinity break down the left-hand side.

Atkins outside JD sounds good to me.

basically Atkins has proven everything i have always said about him.

Physical attributes - yes but skill/concentration/game awareness etc is lacking for him to get to the next level

I thought that Demetriou moved into the pack because he was finding it harder to get fit enough to play in the backs?

Not that I was aware of but maybe so. Just think he would still be able to make the breaks at centre.

i think tbf to both sides pro and against it would be fair to say that all wakefield fans had expected him to step up to the next level this season but unfortunately hes remained stale.

he seems to imho lost that spark he had about him just before his late sponsor passed away (apologies i forgotten his name).

ryan as the potential to be be international class but he needs to shake himself and come to the fact that once you reach the highest level possible you must still endeavour to improve and not rest on your laurels.

at this moment in time he is no way near GB standard IMHO and the sad thing about it seems to just be an attitude problem

We seem to be forgetting what he DOES do rather than concentrating on what he doesn't do.

According to the Super League stats, he has no assist for tries this season. That is damning for a centre of course
But he is also top try scorer for Wakefield, and ahead of all but Shenton in the list of centres scoring......and of course Shenton has only had 3 assist so he isn't doing much better at putting his winger in for tries.....meaning if you know you can score yourself, there is no need to pass.

The point is, if we give him the ball he will break the line. Once through he can feed his winger. If we don't give him the ball often, odds on his opportunities are going to be less and his ability to feed his winger before the line will be more obvious.

If it's that big a deal, we use him as a dummy runner like Brough did to Petersen a couple of games ago and hit the winger. Atkins still won't get the assist but he'll draw the defense.

Someone used Offiah as an example earlier. Well if you watched Offiah at Widnes, when he didn't have Gene Miles inside him (as he did at Wigan) the plan was to just get him the ball as quickly as possible and let him have a 1-1, which he more often than not won. You don't have to be Steve Rogers or Eric Ashton and put your winger away all the time.......sometime you can be a Mal Meninga. He didn't used to put his winger away before the tackle, he hit the tackle and only passed if he didn't bust through, but usually he was the one making the break.
(I chose not to use Neil Fox as an example as too close to home to not get emotive replies)