The people that you are quoting DID NOT reach the same conclusions that you have, they merely discussed the response to such events ??
Sorry pay but, you are getting VERY mixed up.

Just because something is on an agenda at a conference doesn't mean that it will happen but, it is right and proper, that, given that there have been other virus's and diseases, some idea of the best action should be discussed.

How many times do you think nuclear attack has been discussed - it doesn't mean that it will happen

If you don't believe some of your "apparitions" will happen, why on earth are you going to such lengths to bombard us with so many tenuous links ?

Just like the guy, who's views you have never researched, you say dont shoot the messenger ??

For you to regurgitate so much crap, it's reasonable to assume that you share these views.
Therefore, you cant sidestep and say that you are any kind of messenger.

It is YOU who has joined the dots so, take some responsibility or, perhaps filter your output



As for where it is "under control", perhaps you could do some research.
The far east would be a very good starting point oh yea and the customers for your shop with infections and deaths at 0.

Why do you believe it is a "response? Because they say so? You have no inside knowledge.
Why do you believe them?
Why are you not at the very least prepared to question their motives. Has history teached you nothing?
Is there a track record for these people to be honest and upright in all their past dealings? Tony Blaire may help you with this question.
Where is it under control with no restrictions? The "far east" is rather vague.

Five and a half rather simple questions for you.

If you cannot answer these questions then my opinions may hold more water than you give them credit for.

Well because you never talk about rugby that's why.

Anyway, I've made my point. Post within AUP. Don't hassle other posters. Simples.

There is nothing new on this thread for me now. I'll post again when someone raises a new point to discuss.

Dont you get it.
The conference that seems to have convinced you that a world re set is taking place was a "conference".
Effectively a get together to discuss certain issues.

Are you seriously telling "us" that, the get together took place in order to decide how to infect "the world" with a virus - UNBELIEVABLE

You ask about honesty.??
I'd like to start with your own "honesty".

There is zero "balance" in any of your output.
Your endless posts on here follow the same made up narrative, without any consideration that people are generally trying to solve a problem.

I do think there are questions to be answered as to exactly where the "new" virus came from and how it grew to the scale that it has but, I believe that those questions will be answered once "we" finally get on top of the thing.

If I had time (and lots of it) I would go back through your many spurious arguments and pick them apart one by one.

From memory, you've suggested a "global re set" - no evidence whatsoever that this is happening.
A vaccine to be used to "control" the population. WOW, just WOW
Face coverings to "control the population", WOW
A new political party - so far we have Farage re naming his Brexit party - BIG DEAL
Bill Gates as some kind of major "bad guy" - there is a long, long list of far worse and we can start with Trump, Xi, Johnson etc, etc, etc.

Do I really need to go on

Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis [i "Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i" https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m44 ... aign=usage Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?

Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis [i "Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i" https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m44 ... aign=usage Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?

Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis [i "Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i" https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m44 ... aign=usage Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?'" Granted there maybe a few points that could be used for governments "supressing science" but this line made me laugh "The leak revealed inappropriate involvement of government advisers in SAGE" - By that they mean that the government chief advisor attended a SAGE meeting LOL. Also this article goes into the the DH with holding reports parts of a report on ethnic minorities and only posted it as there was an outcry, that is just not true in the slightest, when they published the report they stated there would be a follow up report, there was also a log of it on the GOV website on PM discussions, go back to the date it was published and read the audit of the phone calls, it is there for all to see.

Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis [i "Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i" https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m44 ... aign=usage Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?'" Granted there maybe a few points that could be used for governments "supressing science" but this line made me laugh "The leak revealed inappropriate involvement of government advisers in SAGE" - By that they mean that the government chief advisor attended a SAGE meeting LOL. Also this article goes into the the DH with holding reports parts of a report on ethnic minorities and only posted it as there was an outcry, that is just not true in the slightest, when they published the report they stated there would be a follow up report, there was also a log of it on the GOV website on PM discussions, go back to the date it was published and read the audit of the phone calls, it is there for all to see.

Just another point as well as I have followed Kamran Abbasi on his public outrage on some of the public procurements over the last few months a long with a few others, in some cases labelling them as "Corrupt", labelling some of the procurement department "incompetent" as there were large contracts awarded without a call for competition, I would urge him to take an actual look at the awards and how they were made and see how they align to the Public Contract regulations under 32 or 72, I think he would be relatively surprised by his findings.

I absolutely expect someone to have profited unfairly from all this.
Someone always does in times of need.
Hopefully when they do they are brought to justice and procecuted.

As you know, no fans can visit their ground to watch a game of rugby? This is due to the governments handling of the so called covid crisis. The finances of clubs I would imagine is in a critical state, certainly below Super League. . Mc Dermott of Toronto is blaming the handling of the covid crisis as one of the reasons his club are out of Super League.
Therefore, every discussion on covidflu appertains to rugby, just like a thread on Ted Richardson appertains to rugby or a thread on Rodney Walker. One is not exclusive of the other.

It's not me who "never talks rugby, Whenever I have prompted a discussion mainly on the rugby front you retort thus.

=#800000"And on the plan for Belle Vue..... Why ask us?"

Or you twist my words and state this:
=#800000
"But yer, watching rugby live is the important thing. "

The above quote was your attempt at sarcasm.
So, It aint me who is avoiding the rugby discussion.

Ok, just show me one thing, where have I stated
=#800000“the get together took place in order to decide how to infect "the world" with a virus”
Your telling porkies wrencat.

Now who is not being honest.

You state.
=#800000"Dont you get it.
The conference that seems to have convinced you that a world re set is taking place was a "conference".
Effectively a get together to discuss certain issues.
From memory, you've suggested a "global re set" - no evidence whatsoever that this is happening."

No, not yet.
The WEF virtual event announced the launch of the “Great Reset” of the world economy, but more specific policy proposals will likely be deliberated at WEF’s meeting in Davos in January 2021,

From the Heartland Institute.
"At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world."

Yeah, this just a jolly get together over beer and crisps, no agenda at all. Very innocent, nothing to see here.

I don't know about you but most folk voted Tory or Labour, not for this lot. We debated Brexit for years, do we get a say here? But first we have to get people to take it seriously.
Oh, and just for pop tart, and what will this mean for rugby league at Belle Vue?

Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis [i "Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i" https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m44 ... aign=usage Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?'" The manufacturers of the Bills Vaccine Pfizer have been far from squeaky clean in past dealings. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/ ... ent_090209 Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products: The largest health care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history; The largest criminal fine of any kind imposed in the U.S.; The largest ever civil fraud settlement against a pharmaceutical company. The case was also a massive investigation on the part of the FBI and our law enforcement colleagues, involving countless hours of work over a period of more than four years Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.” Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs. Let us hope physicians today are not as corruptable, especially on the subject of covid, diagnosis of, and those less than honest death certificates.

Quote MatthewTrin="MatthewTrin"Looks like some of the authors on the BMJ are also questioning the agendas being rolled out of this health crisis [i "Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.[/i" https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m44 ... aign=usage Shall we consider the BMJ to be "conspiracy theorists" too?'" The manufacturers of the Bills Vaccine Pfizer have been far from squeaky clean in past dealings. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/ ... ent_090209 Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products: The largest health care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history; The largest criminal fine of any kind imposed in the U.S.; The largest ever civil fraud settlement against a pharmaceutical company. The case was also a massive investigation on the part of the FBI and our law enforcement colleagues, involving countless hours of work over a period of more than four years Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.” Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs. Let us hope physicians today are not as corruptable, especially on the subject of covid, diagnosis of, and those less than honest death certificates.

Quote Miro="Miro"The manufacturers of the Bills Vaccine Pfizer have been far from squeaky clean in past dealings. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/ ... ent_090209 Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products: The largest health care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history; The largest criminal fine of any kind imposed in the U.S.; The largest ever civil fraud settlement against a pharmaceutical company. The case was also a massive investigation on the part of the FBI and our law enforcement colleagues, involving countless hours of work over a period of more than four years Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.” Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs. Let us hope physicians today are not as corruptable, especially on the subject of covid, diagnosis of, and those less than honest death certificates.'" Corruption is indeed an interesting subject and it's interesting that "your" movement has now moved down this path. What tack are you taking now ? Vast, vast numbers of people are corruptible, in just about every walk of life and especially those in power. After all, they can influence the direction of travel for governments around the globe and it's certainly not a new phenomenon. In a capitalist driven society, money talks and where money is changing handle, there will always be someone looking to exploit it. Your "movement" seems to be picking up every little "crumb" and magnifying it to promote their agenda. Ultimately, if a supplier is exploiting its customers and is found out, there will usually be a cost and therefore its a risk that they take. It's not earth shattering news that a company tries to push sales of more profitable items. Thankfully in an "open" world, these issues do tend to surface and its then up to the "buyers/consumers" to take whichever action they deem fit. It's not "right" but, this again has happened since humans began walking the planet.

Quote Miro="Miro"The manufacturers of the Bills Vaccine Pfizer have been far from squeaky clean in past dealings. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/ ... ent_090209 Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion to resolve charges of illegal and fraudulent promotion of its products: The largest health care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history; The largest criminal fine of any kind imposed in the U.S.; The largest ever civil fraud settlement against a pharmaceutical company. The case was also a massive investigation on the part of the FBI and our law enforcement colleagues, involving countless hours of work over a period of more than four years Pfizer “intended to circumvent specific FDA indications concerning their drugs by using its sales force to aggressively promote off-label uses,” Perkins said. “We have interviewed numerous physicians, sales representatives, and managers who have corroborated these assertions.” Indeed, it was company employees who blew the whistle about off-label marketing—and kickbacks to physicians, who were paid to prescribe certain drugs. Let us hope physicians today are not as corruptable, especially on the subject of covid, diagnosis of, and those less than honest death certificates.'" Corruption is indeed an interesting subject and it's interesting that "your" movement has now moved down this path. What tack are you taking now ? Vast, vast numbers of people are corruptible, in just about every walk of life and especially those in power. After all, they can influence the direction of travel for governments around the globe and it's certainly not a new phenomenon. In a capitalist driven society, money talks and where money is changing handle, there will always be someone looking to exploit it. Your "movement" seems to be picking up every little "crumb" and magnifying it to promote their agenda. Ultimately, if a supplier is exploiting its customers and is found out, there will usually be a cost and therefore its a risk that they take. It's not earth shattering news that a company tries to push sales of more profitable items. Thankfully in an "open" world, these issues do tend to surface and its then up to the "buyers/consumers" to take whichever action they deem fit. It's not "right" but, this again has happened since humans began walking the planet.