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Quote: snowie "Miro can you please tell us all what kind of medical expertise you have to back up all your claims please'"

They are not my claims. It is evidence collected from many worthy sources that I am simply passing on. Why do so many of you oppose this questioning of the official narrative? Shouldn't we all be doing this? It's our duty as citizens to question the crap that comes out of the mouths of politicians and their unelected "advisors". If we / I are wrong then so be it but for pitys sake hold them to task and stop shooting the messenger (me).
We were shafted over Newmarket by York Court and the Council AND the government but we questioned everything. But now we meekly lle down and let the buggers walk all over us? Something that is a thousand times more important. Honestly, I was shocked when I came on here and found almost everyone nodding in agreement with all we were being told. I said on here weeks ago they were falsifying the death figures, I was pilloried for that but now the government have admited the figures have been hugley inflated. I didn't need medical expertise to find that out.

In answer to your question, None. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: PopTart "And on the plan for Belle Vue..... Why ask us.
The RFL have their plan.

Belle Vue will be assessed in its merits for health and safety same as always.'"

Errr, it's forum with a thread called What now for fans watching ? icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Miro "Errr, it's forum with a thread called What now for fans watching ?
So tell us your opinion rather than asking us as a weak way to prove there is a problem.

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Quote: Miro "They are not my claims. It is evidence collected from many worthy sources that I am simply passing on. Why do so many of you oppose this questioning of the official narrative? Shouldn't we all be doing this? It's our duty as citizens to question the crap that comes out of the mouths of politicians and their unelected "advisors". If we / I are wrong then so be it but for pitys sake hold them to task and stop shooting the messenger (me).
We were shafted over Newmarket by York Court and the Council AND the government but we questioned everything. But now we meekly lle down and let the buggers walk all over us? Something that is a thousand times more important. Honestly, I was shocked when I came on here and found almost everyone nodding in agreement with all we were being told. I said on here weeks ago they were falsifying the death figures, I was pilloried for that but now the government have admited the figures have been hugley inflated. I didn't need medical expertise to find that out.

In answer to your question, None. you only have to look at some of the cranks out there take David Icke for instance gets his crap on the internet you read it and your bought, I'd rather read and listen to the ones with the relative experience and take my judgement from them not a rugby league forum.
I'd rather we error in caution that just open the country up to be overcome with covid 19

stay safe

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Quote: Miro "They are not my claims. It is evidence collected from many worthy sources that I am simply passing on. Why do so many of you oppose this questioning of the official narrative? Shouldn't we all be doing this? It's our duty as citizens to question the crap that comes out of the mouths of politicians and their unelected "advisors". If we / I are wrong then so be it but for pitys sake hold them to task and stop shooting the messenger (me).
We were shafted over Newmarket by York Court and the Council AND the government but we questioned everything. But now we meekly lle down and let the buggers walk all over us? Something that is a thousand times more important. Honestly, I was shocked when I came on here and found almost everyone nodding in agreement with all we were being told. I said on here weeks ago they were falsifying the death figures, I was pilloried for that but now the government have admited the figures have been hugley inflated. I didn't need medical expertise to find that out.

In answer to your question, None. I agree with a lot you say about this topic, there are so many things that don’t make sense coming from the Government and it’s medical experts. So many things swept under the carpet like the illegal immigrants coming over in their thousands, being hushed up by government and main stream media. When something doesn’t seem right, then question it, and use your own common sense, if it looks like a duck.

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Anyone noticed if games are kicking off at actual time specified? Just asking as now 8.15 kick offs for second match would their be a problem if a game went to golden point and the pub said kicking out time. Not on about our matches but all matches.

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Quote: supercat "Anyone noticed if games are kicking off at actual time specified? Just asking as now 8.15 kick offs for second match would their be a problem if a game went to golden point and the pub said kicking out time. Not on about our matches but all matches.'"


We've just been chatting about that very subject.
With a 10.0 pm curfew in place, the lights (and TV) will go off at 10.

Dont think it will be a problem on Friday and we could probably do with the curfew being at 8.0, maybe even earlier icon_biggrin.gif

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Unsurprisingly the government have this morning announced that the plan to get crowds back into stadiums is on hold. I now can’t see any fans attending for the rest of this season. This will have a major impact on all clubs finances, especially as the furlough scheme ends. No crowds for the challenge cup & superleague finals will hit the game hard as well. Tough times ahead.

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Quote: Sacred Cow "Unsurprisingly the government have this morning announced that the plan to get crowds back into stadiums is on hold. I now can’t see any fans attending for the rest of this season. This will have a major impact on all clubs finances, especially as the furlough scheme ends. No crowds for the challenge cup & superleague finals will hit the game hard as well. Tough times ahead.'"


Always thought would be the case as thought as soon as schools opened and businesses started sending more back in it would be the case. Think a lot of amateur sport will get knocked on the head as well which is a shame.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "We've just been chatting about that very subject.
With a 10.0 pm curfew in place, the lights (and TV) will go off at 10.

Dont think it will be a problem on Friday and we could probably do with the curfew being at 8.0, maybe even earlier
I like how the Government thinks a 10 pm curfew will reduce transmissions, when the damage will already have been done by then.

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Quote: PopTart "So tell us your opinion rather than asking us as a weak way to prove there is a problem.'"


Actually I did give my opinion, and more, your not paying attention Pop tart, so here it is again.

I am 66 years of age and, along with my father and grandfather have watched Trinity play
at Bell Vue throughout the 20th and now 21st centuries.
We have watched the game during the depths of winter with ice, snow, rain, hail, fog (Widnes anyone?) etc.
We have travelled with thousands of others in cars, vans, buses, trains have walked many a time through the above winter conditions to get our rugby league fix at both Belle Vue and a host of other rugby grounds with only a cup of Bovril, a jar of vapour rub or a tot of the hard stuff to keep the harsh winter conditions at bay.

Our generation and those before us have dodged or coped with the common cold, flue, the flu, sore throats, norovirus, achy joints, cold sores, dry and cracking skin, asthma (the wife). Sinus infections, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc all caused or aggravated by those gruelling winter trips to Belle Vue to stand for two to three hours in the above mentioned weather before walking or driving home cold, freezing and completely wet through. And for a few of us that was after playing a game of winter rugby that very morning.

No doubt that over the past 150 years some have succumbed to the experience of trudging to Belle Vue, Odsal, Noughton Park, the Watersheddings and Fartown and have sadly succumbed to whatever ailment they contracted enjoying their rugby. But hey, ho, it happened and no one, as far as I know, coincided closing down these stadiums, not in a 150 years did they consider such draconian action.

So, here we are in the summer of 2020. A virus that 99.7% of people will simply never know they have or even had it. A virus that 100% of people I have asked, most over 65 years of age, do not personally know anyone who has died from C-19. A virus so deadly we need a test to find out if we have it or not.

My question is, what of the future of Trinity and Belle Vue. How many deaths are the club willing to accept in future years from complications or directly from, lets say, influenza. A condition that leads to the death of thousands every year, vaccine or no vaccine.

Pop Tart on these boards told us a few months ago that he was, to paraphrase, willing to give up a foreign holiday if If it saved just one life. I put it to him that watching and playing rugby has no doubt resulted in many deaths (see above) over the years. He did not respond to that.
I see he still supports the game being played.

So, what of the future given most on here appear to support the draconian measure currently being taken.

If I support these measures, which I do not, but if I did I would say that we should never, ever, re-open our stadiums for fear of catching something or other or risking a players death or that player becoming paralyzed, etc.

C-19 may come and go but death from influenza will not go away nor will other the complications that afflict us whenever we attend rugby matches along with thousands of our fellow human beings.

Stop this madness now and lets get back to normal, Lets get back to watching rugby without fear as our forefathers did. NOT the crazy “new normal” they(???) have attempted and in most cases, succeeded, to brain wash us with.

But back to the question re Belle Vue. If, let us say, we needed 5,000 attending to break even and we can now sumize that will never be allowed nor should it so long as inflenza, let alone Covid-19 is lurking in the air.What of the future of Wakefield Trinity? And rugby league.

"weak" enough for you ? Or do you just want to nit pick.

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Quote: snowie "yes your correct we should question the crap that comes out of anyone's mouth that's why I questioned you about your medical experience which you had admitted to having zero but you simply read it on line, do you honestly think the government is doing this on purpose in fact the whole world is in for destroy its self,
you only have to look at some of the cranks out there take David Icke for instance gets his crap on the internet you read it and your bought, I'd rather read and listen to the ones with the relative experience and take my judgement from them not a rugby league forum.
I'd rather we error in caution that just open the country up to be overcome with covid 19

stay safe'"

Where did I say I read David Icke ????
Have I not quoted on this and past threads doctors, nurses and scientists ??? Do you actually read these threads fully or are you just someone with a knee jerk reaction to someone who disagrees with you.
As for "take my judgement from them not a rugby league forum" then why are you here. You have read the title of the discussion "What now for fans watching? Covid chat."
Maybe you should stick to Big Daves foot type of threads.
By the way, I love your terminology..."ERROR in caution" Just about sums it up doesn't it ?

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can only be thankful that your in no position of authority

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Quote: Miro "Actually I did give my opinion, and more, your not paying attention Pop tart, so here it is again.

I am 66 years of age and, along with my father and grandfather have watched Trinity play
at Bell Vue throughout the 20th and now 21st centuries.
We have watched the game during the depths of winter with ice, snow, rain, hail, fog (Widnes anyone?) etc.
We have travelled with thousands of others in cars, vans, buses, trains have walked many a time through the above winter conditions to get our rugby league fix at both Belle Vue and a host of other rugby grounds with only a cup of Bovril, a jar of vapour rub or a tot of the hard stuff to keep the harsh winter conditions at bay.

Our generation and those before us have dodged or coped with the common cold, flue, the flu, sore throats, norovirus, achy joints, cold sores, dry and cracking skin, asthma (the wife). Sinus infections, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc all caused or aggravated by those gruelling winter trips to Belle Vue to stand for two to three hours in the above mentioned weather before walking or driving home cold, freezing and completely wet through. And for a few of us that was after playing a game of winter rugby that very morning.

No doubt that over the past 150 years some have succumbed to the experience of trudging to Belle Vue, Odsal, Noughton Park, the Watersheddings and Fartown and have sadly succumbed to whatever ailment they contracted enjoying their rugby. But hey, ho, it happened and no one, as far as I know, coincided closing down these stadiums, not in a 150 years did they consider such draconian action.

So, here we are in the summer of 2020. A virus that 99.7% of people will simply never know they have or even had it. A virus that 100% of people I have asked, most over 65 years of age, do not personally know anyone who has died from C-19. A virus so deadly we need a test to find out if we have it or not.

My question is, what of the future of Trinity and Belle Vue. How many deaths are the club willing to accept in future years from complications or directly from, lets say, influenza. A condition that leads to the death of thousands every year, vaccine or no vaccine.

Pop Tart on these boards told us a few months ago that he was, to paraphrase, willing to give up a foreign holiday if If it saved just one life. I put it to him that watching and playing rugby has no doubt resulted in many deaths (see above) over the years. He did not respond to that.
I see he still supports the game being played.

So, what of the future given most on here appear to support the draconian measure currently being taken.

If I support these measures, which I do not, but if I did I would say that we should never, ever, re-open our stadiums for fear of catching something or other or risking a players death or that player becoming paralyzed, etc.

C-19 may come and go but death from influenza will not go away nor will other the complications that afflict us whenever we attend rugby matches along with thousands of our fellow human beings.

Stop this madness now and lets get back to normal, Lets get back to watching rugby without fear as our forefathers did. NOT the crazy “new normal” they(???) have attempted and in most cases, succeeded, to brain wash us with.

But back to the question re Belle Vue. If, let us say, we needed 5,000 attending to break even and we can now sumize that will never be allowed nor should it so long as inflenza, let alone Covid-19 is lurking in the air.What of the future of Wakefield Trinity? And rugby league.

"weak" enough for you ? Or do you just want to nit pick.'"


I think you need to check your figures the death rate in USA is over 3% of those infected your 99.7% of people not knowing they have had it is absolute rubbish

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Quote: snowie "can only be thankful that your in no position of authority'"

Simplistic come back, you must have spent hours over that.
Now then genius, where have I mentioned David Icke? or was that just wishful thinking on your part.

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