Re: Rugby amongst sports that can resume from Monday

Quote: PopTart "I still don't really get your point about what exactly you think is fake.

I'm not a doctor so I can't tell you whether someone is misrepresenting death certificates.

What I can say is
8-10k die of flu every year in UK. Predominantly in care homes and the elderly and predominantly in the winter months. - there is no doubt that some that have died, would probably have died of the flu, but we are not even at that stage of the year yet so flu hasn't even hit us so can't really be attributed to the covid numbers.

The Who have said we won't know the full affects of Covid until we can look at year on year figures but currently, everybody's death rate is higher.

Flu has a vaccine, covid does not. So an outbreak of flu can be handled by GPs . Covid is filling hospitals, which impact other patients so making the affects even worse.

In answer to your question what number is not trivial, of course I can't answer but any unnecessary deaths is not trivial.

It seems you are upset with the lockdown. Personally I'm ok with it. I realise not everyone is the same.
I can't go on holiday and I can't go in to my office and my kid is not in school but I can work from home and home school my kid and if not going on holiday will stop even 1 person dying I think it's worth it.
My wife's business is suffering but she's found a way to make the best of it and the government are supporting her financially.

There is no vaccine so no one is making money out of it yet.

In terms of your question of whether we should lock down for everything every year....no not every year but If we are predicting to have over 40k deaths in uk in 6 months in lockdown, which logically says we'd have more if we weren't in lockdown, then I'd say yes we should.

And its easy to say s happens when it isn't you.'"

This tends to destroy the first part of your response. And it answers the comment on "flu has a vaccine"
I again I provide links,

Alex Matthews-King Health Correspondent The Independent
Friday 30 November 2018

The flu vaccine’s failure to protect against some of the key strains of the infection contributed to more than 50,000 “extra” deaths in England and Wales last winter, according to data from the Office of National Statistics.
It was the worst winter on record for more than 40 years, with the 1975-76 season being the last time deaths climbed so high above the expected levels.
The NHS was rocked by a record winter crisis in early 2018, with a massive rise in flu cases and sub-zero temperatures triggered by the Beast from the East storm, which added further to death rates.
serious "Aussie flu", officials said in January that the vaccine which had been widely used was not effective against some of the more prevalent strains of the virus affecting the UK.
The impact on death rates was apparent as early as March, when experts warned the government must “urgently investigate” a spike of 10,000 deaths in the first weeks of 2018.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 60496.html

You say..." if not going on holiday will stop even 1 person dying I think it's worth it. What a ridicules statement. Do you ever give your posts any serious thought?
Rugby players die on the field in our sport, as we at Trinity well know. So, it's unlikely those deaths would have occurred had the players not been under the strain of training and playing rugby, after all, it has a tremendous strain upon the heart. Now, what's your argument to carry on supporting rugby.
I know quite a lot of older players, players in their later years suffering from Alzheimer's. Seems quite disproportionate to me though I can't prove it but all those wacks around the head and the studies from soccer re heading a ball tell us something.. Again, if banning rugby saves just one death or one case of alzhhiemers it's worth it in your view ? I guess you won't be going to Belle Vue anytime soon, if ever.