Don't be sorry .Good post.

Here's another victim why do people think it's ok to carry knives 15 yr old https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-50797942

Here's another victim why do people think it's ok to carry knives 15 yr old https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-50797942

Some but not all, unfortunately the death penalty would be applied to some of these and what do you do then say sorry we got it wrong. The Birmingham 6, Steven Kitchcoe for example, all convicted for murder all had to be released after they are found to have not committed the crimes.

I know first hand what life was like for the working class under the tories, I was a miner in 84/85 and didn’t have a pot to p.ss in for 12 months .Had to take tv and vcr back to rental shop early doors and went over to the pit for a food parcel every week to keep my family going ,so I know what hardships all about .Id broken my neck the previous year underground through faulty equipment and was pursuing a claim against the coal board ,6 months into the strike 2 officials visited me at home to offer me £1000.00 damages for the negligence claim, on the condition I signed to say I could lay no further claim later in life if things got worse , that was like manor to heaven for me at the time .According to my union rep I should have turned it down as I was looking at a substantial payout .
I’m 57 now and walk with a limp and about to go in for a disc fusing all Down to that accident all those years ago ,but I’ve never gone on the sick or claimed benefits ,I’m from an era where you crack on and get on with it .When I see people jumping out of blue badged cars and stroll off shopping or the benefit stick culture that is sweeping the country it saddens me that we are becoming a nation of moaning minnies, always looking to blame . I voted Tory in Wakefield for the first time in my life simply because labour has i my eyes done jack all for us proud people of wakefield. Im sure the new incumbent Isn’t gunna wave a magic wand and the streets of wakefield will be paved of gold ,but I’m sure it’ll be better than what it is now which is beggars, druggies and thief’s .

some but not all, I sense a slight change now in your opinion, the ones who are caught in the act with a smoking gun or bloody machete are so clear the other get life which means life unless they prove they are innocent simples.
Let's down grade a little in the crimes are you happy that someone can walk into your house hooded and demand your car keys and threaten your life or try to steal your dogs while walking in the street leaving you beaten up this has happened in wakefield recently.

I totally agree that the law has to be tougher. It sickens me when I see some of the mindless filth in our society
brought before the courts having many times wrecked somebody's life, by violence or whatever, and being handed
joke sentences.
I really don't know what planet some of the juges are on, but they should hang their heads in shame and just for once think of the victim.
Not an advocate of the death penalty but life means life. simple as that.

I'm no expert Ketty but I'd say you would have good grounds to go back on that agreement, especially in light of other claims from that era. It wouldn't be hard to prove you were bullied in to signing.

You and me both Ketty Cat except I didn’t vote Tory

Really? In 2016 we paid in 13 billion and got 8 billion back from the EU we spend about .48% of our GDP in supporting the EU we get back about .3%

We have had our industries dismantled into just in time suppliers as part of a supply chain with many companies that are or were British household names producing and being managed in other European Countries and beyond of course.

This after rebates before rebates it would be about 13 Billion we would pay, this was the figure on the bus the reality is its over half that amount.

As for the death penalty when we leave we will be able to amend our Human Righrs legislation without the EU Court dictating. I would not expect too much change but life should mean life except in exceptional circumstances.

Posting numbers on here is no different to the bus.
Even if ever number is factually true its only half the picture.

We've had a vote. It went against my opinion first time.
We've had another vote and the result was overwhelming.

I don't see the point of the "we won the argument" comment from Corbyn or the 'were all doomed' supporters.
We have a government. Let's move forward and see what happens. We've been stood still too long.

Quote: trinity374 "I totally agree that the law has to be tougher. It sickens me when I see some of the mindless filth in our society brought before the courts having many times wrecked somebody's life, by violence or whatever, and being handed joke sentences. I really don't know what planet some of the juges are on, but they should hang their heads in shame and just for once think of the victim. Not an advocate of the death penalty but life means life. simple as that.'" Yeah would be a fresh of breath air if we had a tougher system Another one this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50798080 That's to add to these that got me anger the other day https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-50754863 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... urder.html

Quote: trinity374 "I totally agree that the law has to be tougher. It sickens me when I see some of the mindless filth in our society brought before the courts having many times wrecked somebody's life, by violence or whatever, and being handed joke sentences. I really don't know what planet some of the juges are on, but they should hang their heads in shame and just for once think of the victim. Not an advocate of the death penalty but life means life. simple as that.'" Yeah would be a fresh of breath air if we had a tougher system Another one this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50798080 That's to add to these that got me anger the other day https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-50754863 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... urder.html

I think this is Pop Tarts way of saying it’s getting boring now and I agree, at the end of the day what’s happened as happened and I very much doubt the hard working people will feel much difference.

Indeed.

There is a major issue regarding some "political/religious" prisoners in that, regardless of how long the spend behind bars, will they ever change their view of the world. In many cases, their views can become further entrenched whilst in prison - the recent London Bridge case proving the point.
Locking them up doesn't help anyone and the sure as hell aren't safe to be released - I'm not sure that there is an answer.
Perhaps not allowing people back into the UK could be an answer but, this only moves the problem elsewhere, it doesn't solve it.
As for the death penalty, it certainly isn't a deterrent and as you rightly point out, there have been plenty of cases in the fairly recent past where innocent people have been banged up and the real perpetrators remain free.