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| Quote: Prince Buster "
Finally, what about a move to Cas IF !! they get their new stadium, do you think the RFL would also block that ?'"
I sincerely hope they do if that's ever contemplated!
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| We're not planning to move out of Wakefield permanently, and we will get our Stadium in our great City of Wakefield.
Keep the faith
Up the Trin
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| The saddest thing about all this is that we're on the threshold of probably our best performing season in Super League yet we have this Sword of Damacles hanging over our heads. I personally cannot see Trinity ultimately overcoming this hurdle and coming out the other side as the club we've all grown to know and love, and the move to Dewsbury will be the start of the rot. I've read all the pros and cons on this forum regarding the problem, but in the end whatever happens it will all require large sums of cash that we just don't have, and are never likely to have.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Whats the deal with this 88m group? I thought that they were interested in working together to help try and resolve the ground issue?'"
They are but they are another Developer. They have bought Belle Vue and Super Bowl and want a return on the investment and risk they have taken and who can blame them.
They are happy to see Belle Vue redeveloped but understandably they want a profit from the site.
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| So, in a nutshell, BV is so bad we probably have to move out after this coming season and go presumably to Dewsbury. That would be temporary only, so what happens then?
Nothing's going to change is it? Nobody will finance a stadium and I now think the slow death actually started when we got planning permission!
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| Am I right in thinking that although the club are only tenants at BV, the owner cannot sell the site while ever the club play there & have nowhere else to go?
If so, does anyone know what effect this has when negotiating the terms of the tenancy? Are there any limitations/protections on what they can ask for rent & length of tenancy?
If the above points are in the clubs favour surely there's a case to be made for the club to improve aspects of BV.
I understand the argument of not spending because you don't own it, but I'm not sure that's the right path to go down. Even if the club owned the ground, any money spent on facilities would ultimately be a loss as those items would depreciate over time, need to be replaced & have no real resale value. I know MC is an accountant so I'm sure he'Il have evaluated the cost of implementing improvements against what the club may lose in terms of people staying away and/or restricting attendances, but I honestly think the club has a better chance of growing the business from an improved BV rather than moving to Dewsbury - speculate to accumulate & all that.
From the outside looking in it feels like a game of poker between MC, the RFL, YC & WMDC & must be a horrible situation for fans to be in. I'm not sure I'd have the minerals to play the hand if I'm honest as there's simply too much at stake.
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| Quote: Trinity1315 "So, in a nutshell, BV is so bad we probably have to move out after this coming season and go presumably to Dewsbury. That would be temporary only, so what happens then?
Nothing's going to change is it? Nobody will finance a stadium and I now think the slow death actually started when we got planning permission!'"
Well it's up to the club the trust and us fans to make sure we get our community stadium for our club and City.
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| Quote: M62 J30 TRINITY "Well it's up to the club the trust and us fans to make sure we get our community stadium for our club and City.'"
Correct, or can just lie down and die, but we aint going to do that. We owe it to the 15,000 people who signed the petition, those who gave evidence at the Public Inquiry in support and heard the Council and the Developer make promises to HM Planning Inspector to deliver a Community Stadium in return for planning consent.
As I said earlier, lets hope a deal can be agreed and we all can end this happily.
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| Quote: M62 J30 TRINITY "Well it's up to the club the trust and us fans to make sure we get our community stadium for our club and City.'"
Still can't understand why we haven't seen Sir Rodney (I Delivered the new Wembley Stadium ) Walker on the box (excuse the pun) regarding this matter. Both Calendar and Look North would be the ideal stage for RW to shame YC and WMDC over this. He's spoken on both these programmes previously about far less controversial matters, and it would put the problem into the far wider public domain. But there again they're all part of the Establishment aren't they?
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| Just to clear up where Newmarket actually is. Prior to 1974 it was in Rothwell Urban District Council area, the boundary with Stanley UDC being on the A642 just Leeds side of Moorhouse Estate Stanley. Rothwell UDC had the choice of whether to join Leeds or Wakefield Council areas in 1974 and chose Wakefield (a large part of Rothwell UDC (Lofthouse, RobinHood etc ) had Wakefield addresses and postcodes (and still has) and it was felt by the council that they would have more say in Wakefield rather than the bigger Leeds area. However some Lady Whatsittwerp decided that Rothwell should be in Leeds and that is where it went. So Newmarket became part of Leeds by default. Sometime later (2000?) the boundaries were redrawn and everything Wakefield side of the M62 (apart from Lofthouse which would have been split in two) was moved into Wakefield and by default that included Newmarket. Just so everybody is clear. I would say the site of the proposed ground is as big a distance inside Wakefield MDC as Dewsbury's ground is outside it. Not sure where people say the Wakefield City boundary is. It used to be near Pinderfields Hospital prior to 1974 and a sign still welcomes you to Wakefield there.
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| The difference is Dewsbury already exists with a club in residence Newmarket would of been us in residence.
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| Quote: Two Points "Just to clear up where Newmarket actually is. Prior to 1974 it was in Rothwell Urban District Council area, the boundary with Stanley UDC being on the A642 just Leeds side of Moorhouse Estate Stanley. Rothwell UDC had the choice of whether to join Leeds or Wakefield Council areas in 1974 and chose Wakefield (a large part of Rothwell UDC (Lofthouse, RobinHood etc ) had Wakefield addresses and postcodes (and still has) and it was felt by the council that they would have more say in Wakefield rather than the bigger Leeds area. However some Lady Whatsittwerp decided that Rothwell should be in Leeds and that is where it went. So Newmarket became part of Leeds by default. Sometime later (2000?) the boundaries were redrawn and everything Wakefield side of the M62 (apart from Lofthouse which would have been split in two) was moved into Wakefield and by default that included Newmarket. Just so everybody is clear. I would say the site of the proposed ground is as big a distance inside Wakefield MDC as Dewsbury's ground is outside it. Not sure where people say the Wakefield City boundary is. It used to be near Pinderfields Hospital prior to 1974 and a sign still welcomes you to Wakefield there.'"
It was the Local Authority Boundary Commision for England Review of West Yorkshire of 1987 (Report No 600)
when the review board recommended that, for convenience, the M62 should form the boundary between Leeds and Wakefield in that locality. The recommendation was implemented shortly after.
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| So.... what I read is that Trinity will move to Dewsbury to share a facility owned by a part time team.... meanwhile another club named Sheffield Eagles will be the only (albeit semi) professional sports team left playing in the city of Wakefield.... leasing the ground from ????...
I'm actually lost as to what I think about all this! I totally understand why this is happening but that does not take away the sense of shock and loss that this could happen.
I used to live within a stones throw of the ground and loved watching the A team and colts fixtures on a walk up basis... if I'm honest if I still lived in the area I would probably follow Trinity to Dewsbury.. but The Eagles would get my walk up custom... and if the situation persisted over a number of years I would probably end up only watching the team that played locally.
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| Must say I am utterly confused .Just read YEP article where MC talks positively about move to Dewsbury . I also distinctly remember him saying upgrading Dewsbury to Superleague standard was feasible.
On the other hand we have Sandal Cat saying no way we will be allowed to be in Superleague if we relocate permanently to Dewsbury.
Come on . Who is correct?
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| Quote: Spookdownunder "So.... what I read is that Trinity will move to Dewsbury to share a facility owned by a part time team.... meanwhile another club named Sheffield Eagles will be the only (albeit semi) professional sports team left playing in the city of Wakefield.... leasing the ground from ????...
I'm actually lost as to what I think about all this! I totally understand why this is happening but that does not take away the sense of shock and loss that this could happen.
I used to live within a stones throw of the ground and loved watching the A team and colts fixtures on a walk up basis... if I'm honest if I still lived in the area I would probably follow Trinity to Dewsbury.. but The Eagles would get my walk up custom... and if the situation persisted over a number of years I would probably end up only watching the team that played locally.'"
If Wakefield move it will be after the 2017 season, Sheffield will only be playing at Belle Vue for the 2017 season as they're moving back to Sheffield for 2018.
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