My suggestion to you would be not to try and involve yourself in Wakefields stadium. Your belief that a developer just turns up and gives a RL club a stadium without the councils involvement is quite frankly astounding! This deal has been brokered by WMDC, no doubt, although they will deny it to the hilt and there will be no minutes of any meetings that took place.

Through this process I have learned much about the workings of council, and I don't care for it tbh, but that may be as a result of the double standards on show, both in relation towards our stadium and the developer - for whom they have more care for than us - and in relation to the differences between our situation and that of Cas.

I genuinely wish to seethe Cas venture come to fruition, but I strongly lament the failure to turn a genuine opportunity for a Community Stadium, and all that that could have been, into reality for the people of Wakefield and it's surrounds.

It needs less chewing gum on shoes, more baseball bats on swedes

You have got it spot on, no money is involved in either process. But what the council are providing is political will and that is just as important as funding. Glasshoughton seems to benefit from council good will and input, which it should.

However Newmarket seems to be totally the opposite. It may be that Yorkcourt are the less honourable developer but having seen how the council have responded when they have chanced their arm they have realised they can get away with doing nothing and there will be no consequences.

Exactly, the people whose job it is to represent the people of Wakefield haven't done their job properly.

Yes that can be established as true.

We must then ask, is it a fact of incompetence or a deliberate act ?

I wouldn't disagree with any of that.

At some point the trust and MC have to draw the line and decide were we go from here years have passed by ,softly softly approach has failed miserably ,

Precisely, although I would also add that WMDC learnt from their mistakes with Newmarket by making it a condition that the stadium had to be built before any of the retail could open. That, and also that it wasn't a condition a proportion of the development was built first. However, I suspect that is more down to the funding - Lateral don't need to build to fund, whereas YC did?

I don't believe it just materialised. Clearly the caveat for the development, and indeed the special circumstances for building on greenbelt, was that the stadium was built and part of the package, along with all the other incentives that Lateral have fronted up (i.e. contributions to town centre such as keeping M&S open, funding transport links and new road infrastructure).

If you want to be precise, I meant the council were contributing nothing financial towards Cas's new stadium.

Learnt from their mistakes? Is that what it's called, that's why a community stadium for the City of Wakefield is treated so differently than a stadium owned by a club the council leader supports. All we are asking for is the same political will.

Hearing a one eyed Cas fans point of view, which is pure speculation as opposed to the real facts on both projects is nothing short or boring.

Would Fully feel the same if the situation was reversed ? The way he is being so 'patronising' is enough to make one vomit.

In fairness, I think Fully just about gets it as regards what is going on here. He is unlike many who seem to genuinely believe that the Stadium Fairy just turned up and left a pressie under their pillows one night. Wigan & Warrington managed to get their stadia built via 106 agreements and Cas will too, but it's all too convenient to find that ours is the one that somehow didn't tick all the right boxes to turn the plans into reality.

We keep all options open. Manni is willing to listen and is involved already by ownership of BV. His involvement may prove to be the turning point in this process as he is not a man to sit idly around waiting for others.

Well it isn't - everything I've quoted re: Cas's stadium plans can be found on the WMDC Planning Portal. There's nothing 'speculative' about it. It's all there in writing and in the agreements.

As for Wakefield's, the only thing I've commented on was whether a similar method of funding was possible, which I dropped after TRB's message.

I hope the rest of the Stone Roses are as involved as Manni is.