Mathers was part of the golden generation at Leeds and if he had not done his knee he would be still up there

Bren, give it a rest please.

This Minister of Propaganda act you do for the club whenever the slightest hint of criticism is getting a bit tiresome - though in fairness it's not just you.

No one needs to scapegoat Mathers he does that all by himself.

If Agar rates Mathers as his best option so be it - he certainly knows way more than I do.

However only God we are led to believe is infallible so maybe you need to calm down a bit regarding AG and RA.

Peoples concerns regarding Mathers are fair and bourn from experience - he has split fan opinion wherever he has played and always will - BECAUSE - he simply isn't as good as some make out or as bad as others. He is the definition of average for me.

My opinion on Mathers is thus - he will do for us - however if money were no object and I (personally) were building a team to win a SL he'd be the first player I'd look to replace - or to put it another way he is not a Wakefield player I would build a team capable of challenging for a SL tittle around.

However we won't be challenging so for now I will support the lad on the pitch 100% as I'm sure he will give it his best shot - but that won't stop me spotting his failings, why the hell should it.

I hope that's OK with you and the rest and that despite having certain reservations I'm still a real fan.

vastman can i say you put your posts in such an unbiast way but get your points across perfectly. i try to get the same poiunt across and look completly anti mathers.What i have tried to say all along is that no other club wanted him but we found tit right to give him a 2 yr contract and from what i heard one massive contract. Im not argueing that theres anyone at the club better what i am saying is the club allowed a position to arise where there is no oppossiton to his place in the side as ive said before im quite prepared to wait and see how he peforms this season but some on here are not prepared to give any critisicum at all cant educate pork is a saying that comes to mind

Suck up!!
TBH I don't think he agrees with you that much!

i think he does you hope he doesnt

Not really.
You bang on about how crap Mathers is, where as Vastman to his credit can rationalise that despite his failings he also has some attributes, and more than that he is as good as we have had and as good as we are likely to get until things improve.

Why do you feel the need to open a post that is largely in agreement with everything I've said, with that balderdash?

Do you feel threatened by me?

Richie may not be the best there is, but he's the best there is for us in my opinion.

can i just say ive never sucked up to anyone him my life and i resent anyone accusing me of it ,i felt vastmans post was unbiast and mine i agree was pretty scathing. Icant understand why people dont comment on my point that mathers was given a 2 yrs contract when no other club was intrested all i hear is theres no body else, we cant afford anyone better . im prepared to wait and see this season, but weve had one game against a reserve set of threequarters and mr mathers although not alone was found wanting i now await the windup merchants to come on and tell me im talking rubbish

Happy to oblige!!
If Vastman was being unbiased and you were scathing how did you leap to the conclusion he was in agreement with you, it doesn't add up at all, but then again little you post does.
In case you haven't noticed we aren't a team of world beaters all our players have strengths and weaknesses otherwise they'd be elsewhere.
A number of our players would be surplus elsewhere but they are here and while they are if they make every effort, their foibles will have to be accepted.
To start pulling someone to bits before a try has been scored in anger is ridiculous, but hey.......

like ive said in several posts why did we give mathers atwo years contract when no one else wanted him ,no one will answer .I think youl find my feelings were known during iast season and the third point vastman may not be entirely in agreement with me but as i read it hes nearer my view than yours .you say my posts are hard to understand i dont know why in less your trying to wind me up I DONT RATE MATHERS

How do you know that no other club wanted him?

The nonsense, the misbelief that your proving a point when you're not, sucking up to Vastman in order to throw me off the scent and now the capital letters are back!!!
It's got to be NGB4C
It all makes sense, as he seems to have disappeared!!
£5 please!!!

He just knows!!!
Makes a change for him bagging Blaymire!