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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Shove price to £125. Will still do better with 4,000 season ticket holders and 8,000 crowds at that rate.'"


Thats under value-ing the product. I think £20 is too much to pay on the gate at any SL club. £15 is about right IMO. £15 times 13 games = £195. Thats what we should all be aiming for right across the board and maybe £150 for championship clubs.

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Quote: supercat "Something doesn't add up surely the admin team now should be looking at offloading as many players for as much as possible now.'"


They will only offload if they need cash to cover the running costs while they are administrators.
Their purpose is to run the business whilst a buyer can be found.
This usually means keeping all key personell employed whilst ever possible as they have to leave enough of the business in tact to encourage someone to buy the business.
If it moves to a liquidation then everything gets sold.
Bearing in mind the only have 10 days, next week will see the picture become much clearer.
Great win for them last night though.

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Quote: supercat "Something doesn't add up surely the admin team now should be looking at offloading as many players for as much as possible now.'"


It may be futile given how much they need (£1.2m) and they're certainly not going to get that through a fire-sale of players, most of which are off-contract at season's end and will be free agents if it goes into liquidation.

That's why there is seemingly a priority for an investor to come forward.

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Quote: Tigerade "Thats under value-ing the product. I think £20 is too much to pay on the gate at any SL club. £15 is about right IMO. £15 times 13 games

Think you are right on the £15 entry, although you've got to give at least three free games to make people buy.

This year, we sold 4,000 season tickets. Not sure how many were juniors and concessions, but lets say half. That's £200,000. Plus maybe £100,00 from the other concessions. Through the gate, there are 4,000 paying. Probably more like 3,000 adults at £20 and 1,000 concessions. That's £70,000 through the gate, and times 13 = £910,000, plus £300,000 from season tickets, making £1,100,000. That is already nearly double what the Bulls were making from season ticket sales, and I suspect they aren't doubling the "through the gate" receipts.

Just bad business decisions.

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I can't see how BB can see out the season without financial help from the RFL
As there's a little over 2months of the regular season left
The Bulls wages bill alone is 200K per month
I can't see any other SL team willing to pay a large transfer fee for any player when the may become free agents, any player snapped up from the administrator will go for a pittance as happened with a couple of our own players

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Quote: Micka "I can't see how BB can see out the season without financial help from the RFL
As there's a little over 2months of the regular season left
The Bulls wages bill alone is 200K per month
I can't see any other SL team willing to pay a large transfer fee for any player when the may become free agents, any player snapped up from the administrator will go for a pittance as happened with a couple of our own players'"


I think the priority will be to cut the wage bill by 'off loading' players and any fee they can get will be a bonus. The trouble is many clubs are seemingly already spending up to the cap or can't afford to increase their salary spend.

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Quote: PHe "I think the priority will be to cut the wage bill by 'off loading' players and any fee they can get will be a bonus. The trouble is many clubs are seemingly already spending up to the cap or can't afford to increase their salary spend.'"


There's a simple way of paying a transfer fee and loaning him back to Bradford until the end of the season and letting them pay the wages.

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Quote: PHe "I think the priority will be to cut the wage bill by 'off loading' players and any fee they can get will be a bonus. The trouble is many clubs are seemingly already spending up to the cap or can't afford to increase their salary spend.'"

And off field staff, as sad as it is they still have a huge wages bill for this side of the club.

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Looking on companycheck.co.uk there are some much bigger debts recorded than the Bulls, the negative net value of Hudds is staggering!!!!
I can't claim to understand it all but there's lots of minus figures and even more zero's at most clubs as far as I can fathom.
Still SL, sparkling success!!!!!

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Quote: kinleycat "Looking on companycheck.co.uk there are some much bigger debts recorded than the Bulls, the negative net value of Hudds is staggering!!!! I can't claim to understand it all but there's lots of minus figures and even more zero's at most clubs as far as I can fathom. Still SL, sparkling success!!!!!'"


Look at London rugby league club icon_eek.gif

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If clubs with a benefactor like these can be allowed to operate,
London net worth £-8,865,285
Hudds net worth £-7,325,812
Yet clubs without and ok with debt are at risk.
Bradford Total Current Liabilities : £1,873,863
Castleford Total Current Liabilities : £2,200,043
Before any smarty pants have a go, I would imagine our records prior to admin were as bad as these if not worse.

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Quote: kinleycat "Before any smarty pants have a go, I would imagine our records prior to admin were as bad as these if not worse.'"


I don't recall the figure (though I seem to remember it was posted on here), but I don't think we hit the 2 million mark. Seem to remember it was between 1 and 1.5m, but I could be wrong. Either way, it makes little difference. The key will be to see how we manage to operate over the next few years, now that the historic debt has been wiped clean.

The figures certainly show the difference between operating with a sugar daddy at the helm and operating without. You have to ask yourself whether our sport is sustainable in the long term in its present format.

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Debt on its own isn't a problem. It's whether the debt can be managed/ serviced.

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Quote: kinleycat "If clubs with a benefactor like these can be allowed to operate,
London net worth £-8,865,285
Hudds net worth £-7,325,812
Yet clubs without and ok with debt are at risk.
Bradford Total Current Liabilities

The debt is utterly irrelevant it's your ability to service it that matters. This is usually defined by your cash flow.

The debt of the old club was fairly small, however it still outstripped our ability to pay what we owed per month - cash flow. By 2010 we were struggling with debt at the same time as the credit crunch took a huge bite out of Teds personal wealth. In the past he'd personally guaranteed the the clubs debt, now he couldn't and possibly wouldn't anymore. This was also combined with the clubs only asset slipping away - the ground. In Bradford style the club was beyond repair by the end - although unlike Robbing Hood and Co the old board didn't or couldn't (benefit of doubt) fleece the fans to get their monies back before they left.

Clearly there must be some difference between the Cas and Bulls situation and the type of debt as Cas situation is not as far as we know as urgent as Bradford despite being a higher figure.

Truth is most RL Club bosses do their best but no one saw this recession being as long and severe as it is - running a RL must be a nightmare at the moment unless your in the enviable position AG finds himself - it's not that he has loads to spend but at least he doesn't owe loads.

Interesting that he made a point of the cost of renting BV - I reckon we are paying quite heavily which is why the "sign some quality players" brigade should think on before moaning about the team. It's a harsh environment at the moment.

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Quote: vastman "Interesting that he made a point of the cost of renting BV - I reckon we are paying quite heavily which is why the "sign some quality players" brigade should think on before moaning about the team. '"


Also why bigalf and his disciples should be less excited by the prospect of us moving to NM and being crippled by the rental costs - AG was clear in his recent interview that it would actually be cheaper to be at NM than it is to be at BV.

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