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Quote: Khlav Kalash "Do the RFL still own Keighley's ground? I know they bought it a while back to help the club. So maybe the offer would've extended to Belle Vue had the BOI looked to have offloaded to an unsympathetic developer immediately after Tillion(?) defaulted on the loan'"


Just to clarify:

The RFL do not own Keighley Cougars ground they own a 60 year lease which, in turn, Keighley let off them (at no cost to the RFL as far as I am aware).

This came about at the end of the last lease when the RFL helped Keighley negotiate with the land owner (the CO-Op) to prevent any chance of the land being sold from under them for retail development.

Keighley did not sell their lease to the RFL like Bradford appear to have done.

Keighley originally owned the ground and much of the surrounding land but had to sell it many moons ago to the Co-op then lease it back.

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Quote: pulsator2k7 "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Has anyone actually read all the information on this, all this does is secures Odsal for the Bulls to continue playing there in the forseeable future, it does NOT guarantee super league status !!!

d040.gif d040.gif d040.gif d040.gif Yes it is guaranteed for next 3 yrs, but what would of happend if the RFL didn't come into buy...??, maybe they was covering their own back, knowing that they gave you a 3 year license, knowing you could go under and it was about to happen and, so they bought your lease out to save them selfs and your Bacon...??? icon_ask.gif eusa_think.gif eusa_think.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Are you for real ? So the RFL secure playing at Odsal. Do you really think that the Bulls will evev be relegated with this kind of deal in place. Bearing in mind this could cause them to default on rental payments .
Grow up.

The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.

Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?

Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.

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Its a poor explanation from the RFL, it leaves many questions.

And with the that it leaves it open to fans to get carried away and jump in with both feet, better to wait untill the questions are answered imo.

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Quote: Adeybull "Grow up.

The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.

Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?

Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"


Your comments are going even further off the scale mate.
Heres a simple question for you.
Are the RFL more or less likely to favour a team that they have loaned money to (or bought out a lease) ? simple answer, more or less ?
By the way, as stated earlier i've nothing whatsoever against the Bulls, just a little surprised by certain comments.

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Quote: pulsator2k7 "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Has anyone actually read all the information on this, all this does is secures Odsal for the Bulls to continue playing there in the forseeable future, it does NOT guarantee super league status !!!
Lazy posting Pulsator. You've copied this to the other forums talking about it. You are not answering the points made, just blanket patronising defense. Booo!

Anyway, it is quite indicative of why this is an issue that the clubs who are secure and have a nice stadium are not really talking about this. The ones who need the money, or needed it the past are rattling through pages of comments.
You have been favoured. Good for you. Not good for anyone else.

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Quote: Adeybull "Grow up.

The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.

Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?

Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"



Wrong in every way!

What possible benefit would there be for the RFL to chuck the Bulls out now!
If the Bradford Bulls can't create a profitable business plan that sustains a SL franchise what chance would a cookoo club have, that's just pure fantasy, get real!

Only if you believe the media spin that preceded and followed the franchise announcement, the reality was very different!

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Quote: Adeybull "Grow up.

The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.

Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?

Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"

Many, many years ago Bradford Northern were in extreme difficulties and Wakefield loaned them players to help them get out of the mess they were in. Bradford could have ceased to exist then but for the help and support of others. icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:

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Quote: pulsator2k7 "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Has anyone actually read all the information on this, all this does is secures Odsal for the Bulls to continue playing there in the forseeable future, it does NOT guarantee super league status !!!
Secures Odsal for the Bulls to continue with their long lease that they had and therefore could not have been kicked out anyway?????????????

At least do us the courtesy of not assuming we are all stupid and will believe the RFL who appear to contradict themselves anyway in the statements they have given.

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Quote: Adeybull "Grow up.

The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.

Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?

Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"


If you really believe that then you're as dumb as the Halifax fans. We were favoured over Halifax despite everything because even with the RFL guiding them through the entire process and helping them on several occasions they could not put together a decent application. I am led to believe they have only themselves to blame for missing out but it's not in their interest to believe that is it???

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Quote: Adeybull "Grow up.

The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.

Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?


I think Bradford fans should just be happy about the deal they have.
I don't know of any posts on here that actually attack the Bradford fans, so I really don't understand antagonism from Bulls fans.
I think most Bulls fans will understand why there is annoyance from other clubs when they have been given such a helping hand.
As for the Bulls being put out of SL get real.
Whatever you say about WTW we have had to fight tooth and nail for every year of our SL existance which is more than can be said for some clubs!

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Heres a simple question for you. Are the RFL more or less likely to favour a team that they have loaned money to (or bought out a lease) ? simple answer, more or less ?
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Provided the RFL specify that a club replacing Bradford must play at Odsal, it should make no difference.

And anyway, do you know how much the payment to Bradford is? Or how much the annual rentals will be? If the payment was £1m and the rentals were £0.5m p.a. would you still be so wound up? Can you tell us at what point - how many multiples of the annual rent - WOULD you feel the need to get wound up?

You DID know that the RFL has a charge on the Bulls' assets, didnt you? Including the (removable) Coral stand as well as everything else? And that, with little if anything owed to the bank, they would be well placed in the event of an insolvency?

Don't get me wrong; Bulls fans can get wound up over perceived injustices as much as the next fan. But wouldn't it be a bit better to see what more detail comes out before jumping to conclusions? For my own part, I am relieved for the immediate future, but concerned that we have saddled ourselves with significant extra costs for the future - to cover which we now need to secure significant additional income. And it is three years till the next Licenses come into effect. A lot can happen in that time.

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The only "antagonism" coming from Bulls fans is in response to some of the comments being expresssed alleging unfair treatment and whatever. Most of us were as shocked as the next man with the news.

If you choose to take Booaza seriously that is your own affair; none of us do. icon_cool.gif

My comments about you vs Halifax was deliberately couched in similar tones to those being used from your side - so you could see just how unhelpful they were, and maybe therefore see the same in some from your side. Even so, seen from their side the way YOU were "favourably" treated was seen as unfair. Rightly or wrongly.

And some on here may recall I was on your side during your troubles. And contributed financially accordingly.

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Quote: Adeybull "Provided the RFL specify that a club replacing Bradford must play at Odsal, it should make no difference.

And anyway, do you know how much the payment to Bradford is? Or how much the annual rentals will be? If the payment was £1m and the rentals were £0.5m p.a. would you still be so wound up? Can you tell us at what point - how many multiples of the annual rent - WOULD you feel the need to get wound up?

You DID know that the RFL has a charge on the Bulls' assets, didnt you? Including the (removable) Coral stand as well as everything else? And that, with little if anything owed to the bank, they would be well placed in the event of an insolvency?

Don't get me wrong; Bulls fans can get wound up over perceived injustices as much as the next fan. But wouldn't it be a bit better to see what more detail comes out before jumping to conclusions? For my own part, I am relieved for the immediate future, but concerned that we have saddled ourselves with significant extra costs for the future - to cover which we now need to secure significant additional income. And it is three years till the next Licenses come into effect. A lot can happen in that time.'"



Yes, because it is still a case of double standards from the RFL. We asked for a loan from them last year and they refused us so we ended up in administration, which very nearly cost us our SL status (depending on what you believe from the lack of info that came out from the licensing process).

Don't get me wrong , as I said before, it probably did us good in the end to go into admin and start afresh but it also meant that we lost a lot of good players and couldn't sign anyone because of the cloud that hung over us thanks to the RFL's reluctance to help one of their member clubs.

Why can you not get your head around the sense of injustice?????????

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Quote: Adeybull "Grow up.

The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.

Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?'"


Adey, that’s nonsense.

Quote: Adeybull "Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"


The only reason Wakefield weren’t kicked out is because the Crusaders dropped their bombshell the day before the licences.

Yep they could have kicked them out and replaced them with Fax, but the only thing which would have scored higher would have been the Stadium, they may as well have given a licence to Doncaster, far better facilities.

Blatant favouritism! Correct analogy - wrong club.

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