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| Quote: vastman "Normally I think the fitness thing is a bit of a red herring - however a number of players looked out of condition - either overweight or just not athletic enough.
Ryan looks frankly a physical wreck
Kirmond podgy
D.Smith very podgy
Lynes physique has not changed in three years.
Owen, a stone overweight easy
Ditto Washbrook
All bad news but what's really bad is the utter lack of stamina and that is IMHO what real fitness is.'"
I thought the problem was James Webster's defeatist/negative attitude??
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| Quote: vastman "I agree Clawson appears bad but don't these players have personal standards they wish to meet regarding fitness.
I've worked for some poor companies but have always attempted to keep my own standard of work high. I couldn't save the company but at least saved my own reputation.'"
saved your reputation? according to whom???
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| Quote: Quel Suprise! "saved your reputation? according to whom???'"
None of my businesses have ever gone bust, hows you PPI company going.
Hows your reputation?
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| Quote: Disney cat "May be if the players spent less time in the coffee shops and more time on the training field they might last a bit longer than 10 mins before they are blowing out their backsides.
Smith ought to get on the phone now to Trinity with what he expects in terms of training etc rather than waiting yet another week for him to arrive. It'll probably take several weeks for this squad to get to the required fitness standard to effectively compete in Super League by then it'll be too late.
I'm not sure Brian Smith has sufficient time to turn this around. Webster should have gone after the 80:0 thrashing by Warrington 2 months ago!
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| Quote: vastman "I agree Clawson appears bad but don't these players have personal standards they wish to meet regarding fitness.
I've worked for some poor companies but have always attempted to keep my own standard of work high. I couldn't save the company but at least saved my own reputation.'"
Vasty you are correct, but just expanding your theory in my opinion some of the players may not have high standards but the professional standard of our conditioner is even worse.
Remember Geoff Evans, when he was in charge I have never seen a fitter side. You knew if we were level around half time we would
blow the opposition away in the second half. You can't trust the players to do it themselves they need managing and the bloke we are paying to do that is pinching money.
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| Our fitness levels are a joke.
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| Quote: Wildthing "Our fitness levels are a joke.'"
I'm not laughing
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| Quote: vastman "I'm not laughing
The joke is on us
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| Regarding the players personal standards, I agree they should have pride in what they do but, there appears to be a total lack of professionalism within the whole squad including the back room room staff. Everything is slow, and lethargic with a "couldn't care less" attitude about it. Lets hope there s a total change in attitudes and outlooks from the beginning of Smith's reign, we need some pride and passion putting back into the team first and then hopefully some structure and organisation in our performances.
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| Quote: asmadasa "
I’d have though seven weeks is long enough to get this lot into a cohesive unit, but I fear quite a few are already dreaming of pastures new for next year.
It’s a big task, some think it’s insurmountable, but based on fairly recent history, staying up against all the odds is a good as it gets, for the long suffering fools who continue with this humiliating obsession.
Is it doable? Of course it is.
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| Quote: vastman "None of my businesses have ever gone bust, hows you PPI company going.
Hows your reputation?'"
cant imagine a man who doesn't know the name of our players would ever be able to start a business or even hold down a job for that matter.
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "I’d have though seven weeks is long enough to get this lot into a cohesive unit, but I fear quite a few are already dreaming of pastures new for next year.
It’s a big task, some think it’s insurmountable, but based on fairly recent history, staying up against all the odds is a good as it gets, for the long suffering fools who continue with this humiliating obsession.
Is it doable? Of course it is.'"
I suppose you can only hope that in the case of these players the chance to play under a genuinely recognised Coach may sway the - you'd hope.
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| Quote: vastman "I agree Clawson appears bad but don't these players have personal standards they wish to meet regarding fitness.
I've worked for some poor companies but have always attempted to keep my own standard of work high. I couldn't save the company but at least saved my own reputation.'"
Not sure I would expect a player to 'know' how to get fit to the required standard, that's why we need a competent conditioner
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| Quote: Smew "Not sure I would expect a player to 'know' how to get fit to the required standard, that's why we need a competent conditioner'"
Surely those players who have played thousands of games between them under various coaches and conditioners know if they are in the best physical shape they could be?!! If they feel that the pre season, and current fitness and conditioning isn't/hasn't been right then surely they should have said something?!
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| Quote: Smew "Not sure I would expect a player to 'know' how to get fit to the required standard, that's why we need a competent conditioner'"
Really, give over - maybe the younger ones but the older ones, of course they do.
Andy Mason used to self condition before every match and that was in the days when conditioners were a hair care product.
I wouldn't expect them to refine it to the absolute perfection but I'd expect the basic levels.
Odd this, because we looked fit enough under Clawson two seasons ago - just makes you wonder because it has to be more than one person and one issue that's destroying us.
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