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| Quote: vastman "People like you make me laugh they really do.
Apart from being an insult to those young lads and fringe players wanting a chance it's also rubbish.
If you were to weaken Leeds by roughly 12 first choice players which is what I've done what do you think they would look like?
Marginally better that us, thats all.
This mythical SL squad where every position is covered by 3 internationals only exists in your's and a few others heads. Much vaunted as Leeds and Wigans youngsters are they are largely unproven - just like ours. Whats to say Jowitt or even lone star Briscoe couldn't make the step up instantly, plenty do - and often those you least expect - or are you suggesting the youngsters you bang on about so much are in fact crap - make your mind up.'"
Disagree as the youngsters that have come through the ranks at Leeds over the last couple of years have far outweighed ours in terms of talent and it still appears they do to the current day. Leeds have several youngsters on loan at super league clubs, we're lucky if ours are good enough to be competitive in the championship. I have no problem with people being positive and I like the depth we have but I don't necessarily think the current depth we have equates to any kind of quality. Our first 17-19 is strong and should give any side a game but I don't think the young uns except Annakin have shown thy're capable of being competent super league players. Obviously, just my opinion, but I've seen nothing to suggest we have a production line of youngsters capable of progressing Trinity in the Super League as of yet...
Although, as a second string it isn't too shoddy when compared to the likes of teams around us. Just disagreeing with the Leeds comment. I'd have thought the likes of Wigan, Leeds, Saints, even Hull FC all have better second strings and youngsters than us and I fear it will only become more apparent if the U19's results are to show for it.
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| I agree with the comment that we played Bradford a month too early for the squad to have come together, but I would also add Salford to that. We can't control the fixture list, but if we can avoid a significant number of injuries, I see no reason why on the performance of the last two games that we shouldn't see them off at our place.
As we've seen from Cas (and occasionally us a few seasons ago), if you get a couple of early wins under the belt, you can get on a roll and winning becomes a habit.
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| Quote: vastman "People like you make me laugh they really do.
Apart from being an insult to those young lads and fringe players wanting a chance it's also rubbish.
If you were to weaken Leeds by roughly 12 first choice players which is what I've done what do you think they would look like?
Marginally better that us, thats all.
This mythical SL squad where every position is covered by 3 internationals only exists in your's and a few others heads. Much vaunted as Leeds and Wigans youngsters are they are largely unproven - just like ours. Whats to say Jowitt or even lone star Briscoe couldn't make the step up instantly, plenty do - and often those you least expect - or are you suggesting the youngsters you bang on about so much are in fact crap - make your mind up.'"
I bang on about Agar signing random auzzies such as Ryan whilst Walshaw is shipped out to Dewsbury, that's all.
Leeds 2nd team would still be be better than ours, as would the majority's of other teams.
You wanted opinions on our squad depth, I gave you one, if you don't like it well fair enough then but I post what I think, not whatever pleases you or the other people who only want to see good comments about the club and the squad.
I've said it before and I'll say it again I believe no one could've done better than MC and KH, I'll hold my hands up and say has been brilliant, but plenty could do better than our current coaching staff.
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| I have to agree i said this the other week i dont know how its happened very astutely this will be the best squad we have had in super league i think if we had not had problems with visas getting players late and we had more p
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| We would be on 4 wins from 5 games grrr bloody phone
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| Quote: Willzay "I bang on about Agar signing random auzzies such as Ryan whilst Walshaw is shipped out to Dewsbury, that's all.
Leeds 2nd team would still be be better than ours, as would the majority's of other teams.
You wanted opinions on our squad depth, I gave you one, if you don't like it well fair enough then but I post what I think, not whatever pleases you or the other people who only want to see good comments about the club and the squad.
I've said it before and I'll say it again I believe no one could've done better than MC and KH, I'll hold my hands up and say has been brilliant, but plenty could do better than our current coaching staff.'"
How do you know how Matty Ryan is playing or even Walshaw for that matter?
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| Quote: PopTart "I think you are missing the point. It's a second string team.'"
I think there's more than one missing Vastman's point!
For what it's worth I completely agree, I have never known us have such strength in depth. We have an NRL schoolboy international, of not that long ago and we haven't even seen him yet!
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| Quote: Adam_Harrison9 "Disagree as the youngsters that have come through the ranks at Leeds over the last couple of years have far outweighed ours in terms of talent and it still appears they do to the current day. Leeds have several youngsters on loan at super league clubs, we're lucky if ours are good enough to be competitive in the championship. I have no problem with people being positive and I like the depth we have but I don't necessarily think the current depth we have equates to any kind of quality. Our first 17-19 is strong and should give any side a game but I don't think the young uns except Annakin have shown thy're capable of being competent super league players. Obviously, just my opinion, but I've seen nothing to suggest we have a production line of youngsters capable of progressing Trinity in the Super League as of yet...
Although, as a second string it isn't too shoddy when compared to the likes of teams around us. Just disagreeing with the Leeds comment. I'd have thought the likes of Wigan, Leeds, Saints, even Hull FC all have better second strings and youngsters than us and I fear it will only become more apparent if the U19's results are to show for it.'"
Think your wrong IMO - many Leeds youngsters have not made the grade - nor do good young players always make the step up as shown by our all conquering Academy team of a few years back. I personally don't blame just the coaching staff for that. People moan about Wildie and Wallshaw not getting a fair crack of the whip but they have in fact played far more SL games than some of Leeds more fancied youngsters.
However that's not the point.
The point is not that the 2nd string is a great team - its to point out that even at the bare bones we could compete against most other SL teams who are also down to the bare bones - including Leeds - all things are relative.
This means as far as my RL logic takes me that during the AVERAGE ups and downs of a season we now hopefully have enough quality to plug the gaps as and when they appear - which may be the difference between safety or relegation to 8th or 9th spot.
The last time we had a similar amount of cover was 2008/2009 when we manage a CCup semi and a top 8.
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| We have some good strength in depth now when you look at the whole squad and number of positions some players can cover.
Full back - Mathers,Sammut,Sykes
Wing - Fox,Riley,Lyne,Briscoe
Centre - Collis,Lyne,Sykes,Keinhorst,Walshaw,Ryan
Stand off - Sammut,Sykes,Godinet,Seijka
Scrum half - Godinet,Sammut,Seijka,Wildie
Props - Anderson,Raleigh,Smith,Tautai,Moore
Hooker - McShane,Wildie,Godinet
Second row - Lauititi,Kirmond,Ryan,Tautai,Molloy,Annakin,Trout,Walshaw,
Loose forward - Washbrook,Tautai,Molloy,Annakin,Kirmond
That's without youngsters Jowitt,Crowther,Shulver who can be brought on steady away.
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| have a look at Salford's team 2
....you'll feel a lot better about yours if you do.
Then maybe look at London/Bradford's team 2 where I feature in the second row.
In a team 2 league you'd be in the same position as the team 1 league - between 7th-9th
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| Yep, looks pretty good to me Les, and you missed out Scruton.
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| Just to add , what’s happening with the U19s . more investment than ever , but not very good , I base my opinions on what I see (admittedly not London) and if I was M/C I would want to know why with the resources at their disposal the coaching staff aren’t doing better.
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| Quote: victarmeldrew "Just to add , what’s happening with the U19s . more investment than ever , but not very good , I base my opinions on what I see (admittedly not London) and if I was M/C I would want to know why with the resources at their disposal the coaching staff aren’t doing better.'"
Going by the result you didn't miss much at London either.
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| I agree we do have good strength this year. Credit to Agar and Mr Carter. Briscoe is way short of standard though after witnessing the Fev friendly and the Wigan game. He looks a liability.
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| seriously why do u feel the need to single a player out whose probably got more ability in his little finger than you ever will and make a judgement after seeing him twice?? you really are a joke of a fan
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