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Quote: Miro "

I do not read David Icke.'"


I bet you do. icon_eek.gif
You've put up links to all sorts of folk and for you not to have read up on one of the fore fathers on wacky theories would seem just a little bit strange, even if it were just to rule out some of his "ideas".
Your ideology does seem remarkably similar though, maybe it's just another coincidence icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: PopTart "There is no counter argument apart from there being no evidence of it in the history of time.
If you'd said one particular country or group were trying to take over the world then although it's unlikely to succeed it has been tried before many times so perfectly feasible. I would then be interested to look at your evidence.
But saying all the governments are conspiring together is just so fanciful there isn't even a science fiction version of that story.

So you are welcome to believe it, but that is why some people are putting you in the David Icke category as he had equally unfeasible ideas with no evidence. I'm not saying you are the same or that you have said the same as him before you write a page in false outrage. I'm just explaining why people raise the subject when you try to discuss that topic.'"


There is no counter argument apart from there being no evidence of it in the history of time.


I see, if it's not in history it can't happen. Wonderful logic there Pop Tart.

If you'd said one particular country or group were trying to take over the world then although it's unlikely to succeed it has been tried before many times so perfectly feasible. I would then be interested to look at your evidence.


Hmm!, I'm just a teeny bit suspicious of this lot.... The USA....800 military bases around the world. Umpteen invasions, constantly at war, sanctions everywhere. CIA plots everywhere, especially South America. Corporations with more economic clout than the many countries they rape and pillage, sorry, operate in. A good book to read..”Confessions of an economic hit man.” No, it's not a comedy. .Need I go on?


But saying all the governments are conspiring together is just so fanciful there isn't even a science fiction version of that story.


]I don't read science fiction and it's years since I read Aldous Huxley's “Brave New World” or even Orwells “1984”.

So you are welcome to believe it, but that is why some people are putting you in the David Icke category as he had equally unfeasible ideas with no evidence. I'm not saying you are the same or that you have said the same as him before you write a page in false outrage. I'm just explaining why people raise the subject when you try to discuss that topic.

How do you know Icke has “no evidence,” where is yours to make that statement? You seem to be lecturing others over “lack of evidence.

It seems to me Icke is used as a stick to beat people with but when challenged it appears no one has the slightest knowledge of him, just a perceived third hand view or a ten second gander of a web page.

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Let me just try an analogy here. To try and discount Pop Tart and wrencats CONSPIRACY THEORY about David Icke and I.

Pop Tart and wrencat and I go the the cup final, not together mind. We leave at the end and go our separate ways.

We all three go onto the forum and recount, almost word for word, a summary of what happened there.

What possible explanation can there be for that?

Is itBINGO !!!!!! high-five.gif

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Quote: Miro "Let me just try an analogy here. To try and discount Pop Tart and wrencats CONSPIRACY THEORY about David Icke and I.

Pop Tart and wrencat and I go the the cup final, not together mind. We leave at the end and go our separate ways.

We all three go onto the forum and recount, almost word for word, a summary of what happened there.

What possible explanation can there be for that?

Is itBINGO !!!!!!
Or, the flipside

Miro, so desperate to "prove" his ideas, reads up on anything and everything to try and find "evidence" to back up his "unusual" ideas. Yet, strangely ignores one of the most obvious "sources".

Using your analogy, it's like being at Wembley and missing every try in a 16 try thriller. Possible but, very unlikely icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: Miro "Here we go, that old guilty by association trick, pathetic Pop Tart. C'mon pal, raise your game.

I do not read David Icke. Maybe you can tell everyone what he is saying and why he is wrong. Why worried? Do tell.'"


Again, I didn't say you have any association with him. I just pointed out why people link you too him as he plugs similarly unfeasible conspiracy theories as you.
He talks about One World Order, Talks about how lockdown is all about taking our freedom not for our safety, quotes the nurse you quoted.
You don't have to be so outraged about it. I'm just using it as a way of explaining how people see you based on your posts. You are free to be how you want to be.

I don't think I need to explain why David Icke is wrong. I think that is pretty clear but I have no problem with you or anyone else believing what you want.
Not as keen when you preach it to everyone else though.

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Quote: PopTart "Again, I didn't say you have any association with him. I just pointed out why people link you too him as he plugs similarly unfeasible conspiracy theories as you.
He talks about One World Order, Talks about how lockdown is all about taking our freedom not for our safety, quotes the nurse you quoted.
You don't have to be so outraged about it. I'm just using it as a way of explaining how people see you based on your posts. You are free to be how you want to be.

I don't think I need to explain why David Icke is wrong. I think that is pretty clear but I have no problem with you or anyone else believing what you want.
Not as keen when you preach it to everyone else though.'"


One day Pop Tart I shall go back through my posts to find those that challenge you to refute my “theories” as you call them. I can count on both hands the number of times you “go to ground” as I call it then re-appear a week later hoping it's all forgotten.

I believe you mean “New World Order” because I have never used the term “one world order” Why don't you do some research and find out where the term “New World Order” has been used. Or originated even. I shall do it for you just to prove neither I nor Icke made it up.

was announced. After the Cold War the world would be a peaceful place and conflicts would be solved multilaterally. In the West it was expected that the only superpower and ‘leader of the free world’, the US, would indeed lead the fulfilment of the new world order.

traces back at least as far as 1940, when author H.G. Wells used it as the title of a book about a socialist, unified, one-world government. The phrase has also been linked to American presidents, including Woodrow Wilson, whose work on establishing the League of Nations pioneered the concept of international government bodies, and to the first President Bush, who used it in a 1989 speech.

Has the “lockdown” taken away our freedoms? Yes it has. Now you either believe it's to take our freedoms away or it's for our safety. There is a 50 50 chance Icke and I will agree. No shock there then.

He quotes a nurse I quoted but then so did the Daily Mail, Talk Radio and a host of other media outlets.

Apart from the usual half dozen posters on here, including two “snipers”who contribute absolutely zero who are these “people” you mention who compare me to Icke, and does it matter? Not at all.

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Here are a few of Pop Tarts and wrencats ramblings against those, including me, they disagree with.
Actually, their posts are so simmilar and timed to appear together I'm not so sure they are both one and the same poster.
Hows that for a conspiracy theory/ ?
more 'evidence'
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ufo-aler ... _b_9471748
Quote: Miro "Here are a few of Pop Tarts and wrencats ramblings against those, including me, they disagree with.
Actually, their posts are so simmilar and timed to appear together I'm not so sure they are both one and the same poster.
Hows that for a conspiracy theory/ ?
more 'evidence'
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ufo-aler ... _b_9471748


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You can't prove the absence of something.
You can only prove something is there or theorise it isn't through lack of evidence.

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Quote: PopTart "You can't prove the absence of something.
You can only prove something is there or theorise it isn't through lack of evidence.'"


Indeed

His many arguments have holes appearing at a vast rate of knots and his increasing desperation to try and show that we are all being "controlled" and that the "global reset" is happening look weaker by the day.
Having someone on here that happily admits that he allows people into his "shop" while not adhering to government advice, which will help spread the virus is just ridiculous and selfish in equal measure.

Mind you, credit where it's due.
He's spent hour upon hour finding tenuous links to like minded people (not David Ike though icon_eek.gif ) and probably will continue in his quest and good luck to him.

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Quote: coco the fullback "Once again, they are not making any claims, you are.
They are refuting the claims you make because you repeatedly fail to provide any credible evidence (or any evidence at all) for them. Quoting what someone posts on the internet is not evidence.
You are free to believe anything you wish, but claims/assertions without evidence can simply be dismissed.
It is not possible to [iprove [/iyour claims not to be true, other than to show that there is no credible evidence to back them up.

Oh, by the way, did you know that Donald Trump is a reptilian shape-shifter
Here's the 'evidence'
?
more 'evidence'

Absolutely spot on post no evidence offered whatsoever

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Should have chosen the blue pill

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Allrightee. Just as I thought, not one, not one single post of mine have they brought up to dissect and prove that it is a load a balls. And that's after giving them almost 24 hours to collaborate and come up with something, anything. And to think their incentive was the chance to get rid of me, and they failed miserably at the very first hurdle.
Instead just the usual name calling and cheap character assassinations and sarcasm, the lowest form of wit. (Yes I know, I'm guilty of that too now and again)

And here they are, the terrible two with their backing band.

Pop Tart
Wrencat

Red white and blue
Billy Butcher
Charlie ?????
Coco

Not even an acknowledgement that my research did not come from Icke. Not proof but certainly evidence. See here.
Oh, by the way, did you know that Donald Trump is a reptilian shape-shifter
Here's the 'evidence'

Unfortunately I do not know the ages of the above posters so I shall be kind and leave it at that.

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Should anyone wants to do a little research they can take the advice of a couple of posters on here, mentioned in previous post, and hop over to the likes of David Icke or they can do as I do and go to source material.

By the way, I personaly have no problem with Icke, as I know very little about him. But there you have it, more ammunition for the snipers. 2.61474609375:10
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