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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"You have hit the nail right on the head POTENTIAL. We have the potential to be bigger than half the clubs in SL we have the city we have been the best in RL before trouble is we've have been playing in crap stadia and ran like a corner shop for 30 + years. The real reason other fans try to put us down is because we have the potential to be one of the biggest clubs in RL and they can't handle it. With AG and NM getting PP this will give us the tools to reach our potential'"
This is how i see it, we have one of the biggest names in RL, a name synonymous in all corners of the RL world.
Lets compare ourselves to the best, Wigan.
Same size Town/City - Wigan 81, 203 - Wakefield 76,886
Same size Borough/Area - Wigan 301,415 - Wakefield 315,172, so similar demographic.
We have one serious rival Castleford averaging 7-8K 13 times a year (plus CC games).
Wigan have the Latics who i would imagine average around double that of Castleford 19 times a year (plus FA, LGe cup games).
Both Rugby Towns, mainly working class.
Both Clubs/Areas have a heritage of grass roots RL development, so the interest from an early age is there.
And this is where both clubs start to differ, although both clubs have had their great times and lean ones, ours have been considerably leaner in recent years, so we have had longer for our fans to distance themselves from the club (about 40 years!!)
In this time the club has had a succession of owners who for one reason or another have not been able to deliver any kind of real/sustainable success, we've either been in turmoil or been on the cusp of something and then the wheels have fallen off, or of course at the mercy of the rugby gods as we are now and as we were at the beginning of SL.
This leads to sons hearing fathers talking down the club, (my dad i can recall only ever taking me to one game, the rest of the time i went with my mate and his dad, and then mates when older) people have grown up "knowing" that the club is a bit of a joke, yet we are still here, and the people don't know what they are missing (sometimes!!!)
As Chissit says not everyone likes rugby, ok we cant do a lot about that, but there are a hell of a lot who do and we desperately need them to buy into the club because the club needs that money to become bigger.
Others have stated that if we go down we're as good as dead, that cannot be right, or it cannot allowed to be right, the politics stink we know that, but for the sake of the game we all love, it cannot happen.
The selfish attitude of "xxxx it! ive had enough" though understandable, i've said it numerous times recently will ultimately lead to our kids and grandkids having no pro RL to watch ever again, and that is unbelievably sad.
We have got to look at what Wigan have done, even during Wigan's lean SL years they were still getting around 10k -24K per game, because they always had the belief.
Our club need to give us something, some trust, some belief, but we have got to (no matter what league we end up in) return our support, otherwise it is the end.
I have seen enough from the new owner to show he knows how to bring money into the club, he has opened up revenue streams we did not have before, the money we were spending rarely made it into the clubs coffers, now it is.
It will only carry us so far and then the apathy will win and we will be back to square on again, it really is down to us.
We know why many don't com and haven't for years, lets get them back, if the club give us the belief, we have to bring the money, and more supporters means we all have to spend a bit less.
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| Good post Kinley. Wakefield Trinty is a great historical name, and deserves better than the lower leagues.
I hope your new guy can turn the club around, and the Wakey Folk continue to support it. Some steady progression over the next few years will see you back at the top table..... where you belong.
All the best.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"This is how i see it, we have one of the biggest names in RL, a name synonymous in all corners of the RL world.
Lets compare ourselves to the best, Wigan.
Same size Town/City - Wigan 81, 203 - Wakefield 76,886
Same size Borough/Area - Wigan 301,415 - Wakefield 315,172, so similar demographic.
We have one serious rival Castleford averaging 7-8K 13 times a year (plus CC games).
Wigan have the Latics who i would imagine average around double that of Castleford 19 times a year (plus FA, LGe cup games).
Both Rugby Towns, mainly working class.
Both Clubs/Areas have a heritage of grass roots RL development, so the interest from an early age is there.
And this is where both clubs start to differ, although both clubs have had their great times and lean ones, ours have been considerably leaner in recent years, so we have had longer for our fans to distance themselves from the club (about 40 years!!)
In this time the club has had a succession of owners who for one reason or another have not been able to deliver any kind of real/sustainable success, we've either been in turmoil or been on the cusp of something and then the wheels have fallen off, or of course at the mercy of the rugby gods as we are now and as we were at the beginning of SL.
This leads to sons hearing fathers talking down the club, (my dad i can recall only ever taking me to one game, the rest of the time i went with my mate and his dad, and then mates when older) people have grown up "knowing" that the club is a bit of a joke, yet we are still here, and the people don't know what they are missing (sometimes!!!)
As Chissit says not everyone likes rugby, ok we cant do a lot about that, but there are a hell of a lot who do and we desperately need them to buy into the club because the club needs that money to become bigger.
Others have stated that if we go down we're as good as dead, that cannot be right, or it cannot allowed to be right, the politics stink we know that, but for the sake of the game we all love, it cannot happen.
The selfish attitude of "xxxx it! ive had enough" though understandable, i've said it numerous times recently will ultimately lead to our kids and grandkids having no pro RL to watch ever again, and that is unbelievably sad.
We have got to look at what Wigan have done, even during Wigan's lean SL years they were still getting around 10k -24K per game, because they always had the belief.
Our club need to give us something, some trust, some belief, but we have got to (no matter what league we end up in) return our support, otherwise it is the end.
I have seen enough from the new owner to show he knows how to bring money into the club, he has opened up revenue streams we did not have before, the money we were spending rarely made it into the clubs coffers, now it is.
It will only carry us so far and then the apathy will win and we will be back to square on again, it really is down to us.
We know why many don't com and haven't for years, lets get them back, if the club give us the belief, we have to bring the money, and more supporters means we all have to spend a bit less.'"
Send this to the RFL great post .... We are not a national league side we dont belong in the same title as batley, dewsbury, leigh etc. I have a problem with going down its a poor league just look at the CC cup scores. We are a Super League team maybe under Ted we deserved the boot but not now !!!! We are going places. We have nearly reached out 1873 target we are good for the future the depression of national league will knack us big time !
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Send this to the RFL great post .... We are not a national league side we dont belong in the same title as batley, dewsbury, leigh etc. I have a problem with going down its a poor league just look at the CC cup scores. We are a Super League team maybe under Ted we deserved the boot but not now !!!! We are going places. We have nearly reached out 1873 target we are good for the future the depression of national league will knack us big time !'" we can be brought down to their level if everything the club has done to repair what administration has done to the club
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Send this to the RFL great post .... We are not a national league side we dont belong in the same title as batley, dewsbury, leigh etc. I have a problem with going down its a poor league just look at the CC cup scores. We are a Super League team maybe under Ted we deserved the boot but not now !!!! We are going places. We have nearly reached out 1873 target we are good for the future the depression of national league will knack us big time !'"
Very arrogant. I'm sure the fans at those clubs mentioned will love to see their team ram your comments down your throat next season if you do go down.Looking at some of your scores against teams in the same division as you i wouldn't even start comparing results bearing in mind the funding difference and the fact that the majority of Championship players are only part time.
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| Quote ="phil stone"Very arrogant. I'm sure the fans at those clubs mentioned will love to see their team ram your comments down your throat next season if you do go down.Looking at some of your scores against teams in the same division as you i wouldn't even start comparing results bearing in mind the funding difference and the fact that the majority of Championship players are only part time.'"
Don't bite Phil.
We dont all share the same view on this one.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Don't bite Phil.
We dont all share the same view on this one.'"
I doubt many do tbh.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Send this to the RFL great post .... We are not a national league side =#FF0040we dont belong in the same title as batley, dewsbury, leigh etc. I have a problem with going down its a poor league just look at the CC cup scores. We are a Super League team maybe under Ted we deserved the boot but not now !!!! We are going places. We have nearly reached out 1873 target we are good for the future the depression of national league will knack us big time !'"
You really are a prat, aren't you?
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Send this to the RFL great post .... We are not a national league side we dont belong in the same title as batley, dewsbury, leigh etc. I have a problem with going down its a poor league just look at the CC cup scores. We are a Super League team maybe under Ted we deserved the boot but not now !!!! We are going places. We have nearly reached out 1873 target we are good for the future the depression of national league will knack us big time !'"
What were your crowds like last time you were in the Championship. Oh Yeh about 2,000. Lower than Leigh by the way.
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| Quote ="Maximus Decimus"What were your crowds like last time you were in the Championship. Oh Yeh about 2,000. Lower than Leigh by the way.'"
Yeah but we'll say its more this time around, because it does not seem to matter what clubs come out with.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"You really are a prat, aren't you?'"
I praised your post you dont even realise you are just a bully arent you? This is the type of untelligent disgusting response i am used to.
All of this crap is uncalled for and ive had enough 80% of you on here are bullys. I have gone the extra mile for this club on more than one occasion yet you morons are so easy to criticise other fans come on here and they see the sense I speak most of them agree with me they are not blindfolded or in the circle os saten. Here I cant crack some of your pea sized brains when you here responses time after time like this idot gives. Its really hard you guys have chips on your shoulders you hate it when someone makes a argument thats why im looked down upon.
THIS IS NOT A FRIENDLY FORUM ITS A BULLYING FORUM....... I SHALL NOT USE THIS FORUM AS MUCH AS I AM NOT WELCOME THE CIRCLE OF UNWELCOMING FANS IS JUST TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE HAD IT !!!!!
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I praised your post you dont even realise you are just a bully arent you? This is the type of untelligent disgusting response i am used to.
All of this crap is uncalled for and ive had enough 80% of you on here are bullys. I have gone the extra mile for this club on more than one occasion yet you morons are so easy to criticise other fans come on here and they see the sense I speak most of them agree with me they are not blindfolded or in the circle os saten. Here I cant crack some of your pea sized brains when you here responses time after time like this idot gives. Its really hard you guys have chips on your shoulders you hate it when someone makes a argument thats why im looked down upon.
THIS IS NOT A FRIENDLY FORUM ITS A BULLYING FORUM....... I SHALL NOT USE THIS FORUM AS MUCH AS I AM NOT WELCOME THE CIRCLE OF UNWELCOMING FANS IS JUST TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE HAD IT !!!!!'"
THANK THE DONALD DUCK FOR THAT
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I praised your post you dont even realise you are just a bully arent you? This is the type of untelligent disgusting response i am used to.
All of this crap is uncalled for and ive had enough 80% of you on here are bullys. I have gone the extra mile for this club on more than one occasion yet you morons are so easy to criticise other fans come on here and they see the sense I speak most of them agree with me they are not blindfolded or in the circle os saten. Here I cant crack some of your pea sized brains when you here responses time after time like this idot gives. Its really hard you guys have chips on your shoulders you hate it when someone makes a argument thats why im looked down upon.
THIS IS NOT A FRIENDLY FORUM ITS A BULLYING FORUM....... I SHALL NOT USE THIS FORUM AS MUCH AS I AM NOT WELCOME THE CIRCLE OF UNWELCOMING FANS IS JUST TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE HAD IT !!!!!'"
Thank the lord, i hope you keep to your word.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I praised your post you dont even realise you are just a bully arent you? This is the type of untelligent disgusting response i am used to.
All of this crap is uncalled for and ive had enough 80% of you on here are bullys. I have gone the extra mile for this club on more than one occasion yet you morons are so easy to criticise other fans come on here and they see the sense I speak most of them agree with me they are not blindfolded or in the circle os saten. Here I cant crack some of your pea sized brains when you here responses time after time like this idot gives. Its really hard you guys have chips on your shoulders you hate it when someone makes a argument thats why im looked down upon.
THIS IS NOT A FRIENDLY FORUM ITS A BULLYING FORUM....... I SHALL NOT USE THIS FORUM AS MUCH AS I AM NOT WELCOME THE CIRCLE OF UNWELCOMING FANS IS JUST TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE HAD IT !!!!!'"
Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls. I give you the silver lining.
When it comes to reading your posts I can't help but wonder how dumb the other millions of sperm that didn't get through must have been.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I praised your post you dont even realise you are just a bully arent you? This is the type of untelligent disgusting response i am used to.
All of this crap is uncalled for and ive had enough 80% of you on here are bullys. I have gone the extra mile for this club on more than one occasion yet you morons are so easy to criticise other fans come on here and they see the sense I speak most of them agree with me they are not blindfolded or in the circle os saten. Here I cant crack some of your pea sized brains when you here responses time after time like this idot gives. Its really hard you guys have chips on your shoulders you hate it when someone makes a argument thats why im looked down upon.
THIS IS NOT A FRIENDLY FORUM ITS A BULLYING FORUM....... I SHALL NOT USE THIS FORUM AS MUCH AS I AM NOT WELCOME THE CIRCLE OF UNWELCOMING FANS IS JUST TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE HAD IT !!!!!'"
Get a grown up to read 95% of your posts back to you, and you might understand.
Then you might think you're an idiot as well, you could join the circle then!!!
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| Give the lad a break.
FWIW I wish we had 1000 more like NGB4C.
You might stop posting but you can't stop attending. None of us can, if the red,white and blue is on your soul it's not an option.
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"
FWIW I wish we had 1000 more like NGB4C.
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Well you obviously barely read his posts then did you?
Thank god hes gone and lets hope he (finally) sticks to his word!
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I praised your post you dont even realise you are just a bully arent you? This is the type of untelligent disgusting response i am used to.
All of this crap is uncalled for and ive had enough 80% of you on here are bullys. I have gone the extra mile for this club on more than one occasion yet you morons are so easy to criticise other fans come on here and they see the sense I speak most of them agree with me they are not blindfolded or in the circle os saten. Here I cant crack some of your pea sized brains when you here responses time after time like this idot gives. Its really hard you guys have chips on your shoulders you hate it when someone makes a argument thats why im looked down upon.
THIS IS NOT A FRIENDLY FORUM ITS A BULLYING FORUM....... I SHALL NOT USE THIS FORUM AS MUCH AS I AM NOT WELCOME THE CIRCLE OF UNWELCOMING FANS IS JUST TOO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IVE HAD IT !!!!!'"
You can't fool me squire, if this was ngb4c he would have used his favourite term of endearment and called him a clown.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Well you obviously barely read his posts then did you?
Thank god hes gone and lets hope he (finally) sticks to his word!'"
He has passion for our club, why would anyone want to run him down?
NGB4C: Keep going old lad.
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"Give the lad a break.
FWIW I wish we had 1000 more like NGB4C.
You might stop posting but you can't stop attending. None of us can, if the red,white and blue is on your soul it's not an option.'"
Are you for real!
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| Quote ="vastman"Are you for real!'"
You will miss me Vasty. You didnt like me from when I was arguing with you about Peter Fox on our wing how we should have offered him more than the measley amount we did. He is the best winger we have had at this club in the last 8 years young british talent . Look at the state of our past wingers and current ones now. Johnson as potential and morton but no way near Peter Fox. Who was right once again Vasty. The tone was set when I disagreed with the famous Vastman.
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| That didn't last long!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"That didn't last long!!!!!!!!!!
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