I agree. If Newmarket was going to happen it would have started by now. The council need taking to court for gross negligence or something along those lines. Box and cooper need outing for the corrupt and bias cretins they are. Feel sorry for the hard work people such as phil and Jonathan have put in but for me they now need to stop playing nicely nicely and take the tough stance and tell yorkcourt and the council that action is being taken and issue them with proceedings to take them to court. It's clear they don't want to fulfil on their promise, it's my view that this whole situation has been a joint venture by two out of the three parties to get the industrial units built without ever even considering building a stadium laughing his 'box' off at our failure to once again get a new ground whilst his beloved Cas plod along merrily in to their new ground in a couple of years or so.

I've asked previously for more patience than is reasonable to ask for. Here I am again asking for yet more, but we are in some meaningful discussions at the point and are not about to rock that apple cart.

You're in the best position to know phil but obviously without facts it all looks painstakingly long and tedious. I just can't see cllr Box playing ball. How long do you (not I - all I did was sign a petition and turn up at the town hall) stay patient for. You've put in a hell of a lot of man hours so if it's frustrating for us I can't imagine what it's like for you! Even if (and I think it's a big if) it does happen I still think box needs bringing to justice and removing from his position.

There has been a change in attitude in certain quarters. I would hope it is not too much longer before news can be released but don't wish to tie down a timescale as they inevitably fail!

The problem with taking the council or Yorkcourt down the legal route is one of finance, win lose or draw somebody has to pay and even if you win there is no guarantee the judge will rule in your favour when it comes to costs, WTW have no money so ultimately the financial responsibility will come down to Mr Carter personally, so it's understandable his reluctance not to pursue this what could turn out to be a very expensive exercise just to prove the wrong doings of those other parties especially has it won't guarantee a new ground.

By your own admittance you are asking fans to be patient far more than can be reasonably expected of them, if we believe what we're expected to believe then surely you've been in meaningful discussions for years now, so what's suddenly changed?

Just as a matter of interest assuming I'm allowed to ask the question, which other parties have had a change in attitude, because as far as I'm concerned unless that change of attitude is from those quarters what are withholding the finances back and are just paying lip service to our problem then we are still in a stalemate. Another concern for me is the longer this debacle plays out then it lessens the chances of us staying in our proper home or lengthens the progress regarding a new home in Wakefield, just to sum it all up, there's an old saying which goes along the lines of, if I told you all we know you'd know as much as we do, which of course would only apply if you knew nothing

I'm with you all the way with this one TRB and it's good to hear there's some movement.

I don't want to muddy the waters or throw a spanner in the works but is there any mileage in the new development to the east of the city with, say, Yorkcourt providing funds. Not too far from Belle Vue and could solve parking problems. Would allow them to use the whole of their land. Trouble is it kicks the whole thing way down the road again and all sorts could go wrong in the meantime. On second thoughts, scrap the idea and keep plugging away.

Just as a point of interest, is Heath Common literally common land? If so who owns it? I believe the Common was actually Trinity's home prior to Belle Vue. It would be a wonderful venue for a stadium. What about that large expanse of flat land opposite the road that branches off to Streethouse. just a thought!

Who owns the derelict land that has the old ten pin bowling building on? That could do with developing as it's an eye sore...

What, the land we will all be kicking ourselves about in a few years time saying; "I wish we'd had some money when that was up for sale. We could have built training facilities and new offices on there." That land?

Another chance on the Euro Millions tonight

The same people who own the gym - the last time I looked, the whole site was up for about a million quid, but that was last year, when the gym was still a going concern; don't know what the current status is.

Heard a rumour and I stress it is only that, that Lidl had made an offer for the land and the club had also made an offer as well.

Heard the same rumour about lidl, not so sure about wakey though