Surely the same could be applied to Kear and the great escape, when inherriting Tony Smiths shower of .

I would rather have PW before Noble.

its not that i dont think he improved on Elliot, its more that he inherited the best team in the league, and took them on to their natural conclusion, look at the players rosta for Elliots final season and its basically the side that dominated that era of SL.
Where his failure as a coach lies IMO was the short sighted lack of fresh blood and cutting away of the high earners before he left, hence leaving macnamara, an average coach with a much weaker squad.
Had the RFL acted correctly IMO Wigan would have been relegated, they cheated, and IMO that is not what makes a great coach.
As far as i remember the Crusaders owed the RFL for coaching costs/fees, around £700k. If he was such a great coach, why? Again in simple terms he cheated, spending money you dont have we could all be far better at our jobs if money is no barrier.
the reason macnamara failed was nobles short sightedness, the reason maguire succeeded was because he was a far better coach.
All the traits that i have listed, would be no good for a club like us, he wont be building on a world beating side, we cant afford to cheat or spend megabucks, so he is not the man for the job.
Not crazy or drivel, just my opinion based on the facts as i see them.

Didn't seem to work for the old regime here! The question is, does a coach arrange the contracts and balance the books, or is that for someone else to do. A coach should advise on which players he wants to sign and fit them into a winning side.

It wasn't just the great escape though was it, start of 2007 we were awesome and carried on his 2006 miracles. 2nd in the league after game 7 ...but then we played Huddersfield, got hammered and Kear showed the continuing weakness that should have seen him leave at the end of that year. Lack of belief and motivation.
Kear and the squad once more showed that year they have the skills but again on reaching a playoff spot later in the season a defeat or two saw us giving up and losing the last 4 games.

So did Kear "cheat" becuase he spent money he didnt have?

If JD hadn't got out of the in goal area at Bradford we would, most probably, have been relegated, if Cas hadnt fluffed it at Salford we would have certainly have been relegated - would that have made Kear a bad coach?

Didn't we turn the ball over anyway after the JD magic? but I suppose seeing a team mate do that gives you heart for the next 6 you face. Heart is a powerful motivator...

Youv'e totally lost me on the bit i've highlighted in red!
JD didn't cheat to do it did he? so it's a bit of a duff comparison really.
I dont understand what your trying to get across really, whatever you think Kear or JD or god knows who did/didn't do, it doesn't alter the fact that i don't think Noble is the messianic coach some (you) do or that he would be any good for us.
You, in your post i originally answered mentioned Millward, wasn't he the one Noble replaced at Wigan who took them to the bottom of the SL in the first place? and presumably that why you rate him so highly??
TBH i'm just getting a bit confused.

All i can really remember from that game apart from the "JD Magic" was Solomonas try and how good Latu was, the rest was a euphoric blur!!!!

I also suggested Millward as a potentially improvement on Kear for us - have suggested it for well over a year.

Yes Millward has got flaws in his game (as has Noble) and if we was Wigan, Huddersfield or Warrington the neither of them would be the answer, but seen as we dont have the pick of the crop we need to be sensible about who we can possibly get. It has to be somebody available and both Millward and Noble are, presumably, available.

I am not suggesting that either of them are the messiah, simply that they are probably available (and have been for a long time) and would both be an improvement on what we have at the moment.

That depends on wether or not he (JK) knew or not i suppose, and i suppose we will never know (i certainly dont know).
Im fairly certain at the time Noble knew he was overspending (hadn't Radlinski had to play for love/free, after retiring just prior to Fielden's signing because there was no room in the salary cap?) so therefore he knew what he was doing was wrong.
What i am not trying to do is compare Kear with Noble or make him out to be a better coach, just to clarify that point.

I remember Ned Catic scoring a good try as well and the massive cheer that went up when they put the Cas score on the big screen.

IMO neither are guaranteed to be better than Kear, and both or certainly Millward anyway, would be available for a reason, nobody in SL wants him.
Noble could well be waiting for a bigger club than us (or won he considers to be bigger anyway) I don't know.
If Kear is to leave, I would love to see a hungry young Aussie coach to come in.
If we are to make ground, we need new methods, hunger and someone who has the inside track on talent down under aswell as the ability to bring the best out of British talent.

If we was a mid table side looking to kick on to get to the next level (like Hudds, Wigan and Wire to a certain extent) then I agree completely - a young up and coming coach from Oz, maybe an assistat, would be the way to go without doubt - I reckon to get to that elite level the British coaches at the moment aren't good enough to do it.

Trouble is, I dont think we are near enough to that level yet, and we need to improve to be a consistent mid table side - to be like Bradford or either of the Hull clubs are what we should aim for first (you know, play offs just about every year) then after a period of stability try to get to the very top via an australian coach.