I don't think that is a necessity, i think first people of wakefield need to take us seariously, and then need to believe we are capable of achieving something. I dont even think that the ground is as important (of course it cant harm) as some think.
Just good old fashioned belief, look at what gates the catalan dragons achieved, based on little success, but huge passion and local identity.

I refer the right honourable gentleman to my previous response; marketing is the key - to get them to believe, they have to know about what it is they're being asked to believe.

Yup, that's the catch 22. NM would certainly secure the clubs future but there is nothing like winning to drag in the punters. At the end of the day £20 is a lot to ask the less committed fan to hand over to watch a relatively uncompetitive team (where trophies are concerned).

We the insanely committed on here often forget that. Without wanting to re-ignite the Ted debate it was something that he never quite understood IMO - IMO he was a committed fan but failed to grasp that others were not the same. The one thing I'll give AG so far is that he seems to understand the need for the dream to at least appear a possibility. Sometimes you have to make people believe and the fact that we don't deny we are after Eastmond is a prime example. The old regime would have somehow transpired to be out of the running straight away. The same is probably the case now but by at least appearing to be in the running gives us all hope or at least something to talk about.

Of course we will have to do something in the end else people will lose faith. If we could do well in the CCup especialy win it that would give the new club a fair few good will years something the club has lacked for many a year. And as you say or as Kevin Cosner did say "they will come" and the catch 22 will be broken so fingers crossed

I would actual say that a new ground would bring you an average of above 8k (probably more in the first season) and that winning stuff is the road to 10k+.

The best possible outcome this season to influence fans would be to have a good cc run -semi final atleast and promote it well along with quarters. And to nip into the top 8 playoffs. A tough ask but the players could achieve I believe with raw effort and continued development.

If these could be achieved on field then there would be a big buzz on the terraces and it would bring in a few through the gate short term.

Would like to see 6k plus for catalans possibly 7 and feel this could be achieved through marketing and offers.

You don't want to agree with me to often, I'm an idiot apparantly

The CCup has always been our get in but apart from 2008 we've made a real hash of it.

One, it's easier to win than SL (that's not to say it isn't hard, it is).

Two, some clubs win titles some win cups. Although we have won two titles it's as cup kings that Trinity will always be remembered. I think it's the trip to Wembley that would get the Wakefield public going rather than Old Trafford. For me the SL title is the premier trophy but for most older or lapsed fans the romance is at Wembley.

I'd go for CCup glory, I'd go for broke even if it costs us the odd SL game - it's risky but what isn't.

Bit OT but I've always wondered. How are match finances distributed from cc matches?

Is it shared gate? Or is it set monies on what round team reaches/ exits?

As far as i am aware it is split 50/50.

So the more of us who travel the more money goes to the club. good.

Be good to draw a team like Cas at home or away at some point if its a split gate. money to be made.

IA asked about Cas numbers this year . Our attendances so far , are up on every comparable game to last year . We have had 7 home games so far this season , with an aggregate attendance of 51,079 at an average of 7,297 . For the same 7 games last year we had an aggregate attendance of 43,731 at an average of 6,247 , that's an average of over 1k per match increase .
You will probably think that I am coming on just to rub it in and say , ' hey look how good we have done ' , that is not my intention . I genuinely believe that the start we have had to the season has played a major part in out increased attendances , and as such , I feel that this adds weight to your argument about being able to increase your attendances if you were performing better on the pitch . I do feel that your new ownership will have helped , and the fact that you were almost out of existence before season started is a fine testament to the increase in your crowds this season ( maybe in a strange way that helped , as you were probably just pleased to have a team to support this season in SL )
A new stadium would also add to attendances for both clubs , and with the increases seen this year so far , there is absolutely no reason why Cas and Wakey couldn't get 10k averages in the future if we were allowed to stay in SL

Probably only drawback with that would be that the game would be televised so that would affect the crowd. A semi against cas would be great that would more than likely sell out. Be great to break their hears again too!

Wakey - cas semi would be a top draw. That would see a big turnout and really show how successfull the derby is between us 2.

Warringtons attendances flew up from below Cas and Wakeys level up to over 10k before any success happened. It is a proven fact in RL that better facilities equal higher attendances.

Both desperately need new stadiums to really kick on!