From what I hear DK has a slipped disc in his back which requires extensive massaging during the week and then painkilling injection(s) on game day. Don't know how true it is, but from what fans who've seen him play are telling me it would tie in with how he's been performing.

Pretty much correct i believe.

What date can Wildie and Trout be recalled then?

Give or take a day the 24th april i believe.

Soooooooooo........after 3 good performances....2 wins and running a quality Saints side very close.....a healthy looking squad injury wise...competition for places....we make a decision to send 3 fringe players out on loan....to get them gametime and match fitness with them due to return just days after the busiest and most gruelling period of the season.....and people are questioning that?? makes perfect sense to me....

They could of course all stayed at the club....played no games...then if needed after easter be not match fit.....like I was saying...Agar cant do right for doing wrong in some eyes....

'Competition for places', when did this revolutionary plan come into play?

Its what was being posted on these boards in amongst 2-3 good performances....ya know....when people were getting a bit over excited too soon....

Very quickly and easily forgotten after a couple of very poor displays..

So is competition for places the same as experimenting?

Worst management of a squad ever. From day 1 anyone with an ounce of Rugby knowledge knew we were in a relegation battle. Anybody who was or still is thinking otherwise is a noggin and that includes coaching staff and players. We should have selected players to play in specific matches, target games we have a chance in and play the squad players in those that we obviously have no chance in. There is no room for silly talk of how if we play well we can beat Leeds, Wigan, Warrington, Saints Huddersfield. Our first 17 would not beat their under 19`s. This then gives you a chance that your best players are fit for the games that we have some chance in. Ali, Kirmond, Mcshane, Collis, Scruton should be given every chance to be fit for the games that we have a chance in. Does anyone not think that Steve Ferres is not plotting and planning the season so that his team are at its best for the games he thinks he has a remote chance in.

So you don't think actually having them here for that gruelling period of the season would have been a better idea then, rather them have them due to return just as we have a a blank weekend as was always likely to be the case after the cup draw? You know after those 3 crucial games in 10 days? Or do you prefer to flog clearly unfit players half to death so when the inevitable injuries arrive we've nowhere to go? Genius thinking that.

You also seem to have forgotten how poor the performances were prior to the Catalans game as well. Or doesn't that fit your agenda of defending everything the club does?

Correct. Wholesale changes no but when we are playing guys like Kirmond, Scruton & Collis half fit and flogging players who shouldn't be doing anything near 80 minutes like Lauitiiti & McShane then something has gone wrong somewhere.

It keeps being said we don't have a big squad but their is enough depth for targetting games and easing the burden on our key men for the main events, the games against the teams likely to be in the bottom half. The squad in terms of numbers isn't too bad but in terms of quality it is short. There are probably 6 or 7 members of the squad who are absolutely crucial to us and they need to be fit and firing at certain times, the rest are average joes who can fit in around them and 'do a job'. Now in a no chance game against Leeds next friday we will have to play some of the key guys obviously half fit as we have no other choice, meaning come the big home derby on good friday they are highly unlikely to be able to perform at their best, which to have a chance we need them to. It could and should have been handled better.

Are you being serious? Jesus wept....

Practically a whole new squad...interupted pre season...3 overseas arriving days before the season starts....3 pivot players hardly spent a minute together....a short turnaround so early in the season against Bradford making that game a total lottery.....

Jeez....the expectations of our fans is bordering on ridiculous...

Ridiculous? A little like your defending of the indefensible then. Salford had more debutants than us and lost the best and major playmaker midway through the first half and won, Bradford had the same turn around as us, were in complete meltdown at that point, didn't know if they would be getting paid, lost their best player to us, didn't play that well and still beat us easily. Nothing to do with gelling, more to do with not playing well enough.

So we finally look like we turn the corner and Agar splits up the key halfback partnership, drops the vice captain, sends out our back up hooker on loan, putting Siejka in his place, gives Siejka 10 minutes at centre in one match, 15 at hooker (which btw isn't his position anyway), then drops him. In that time we get pumped twice. So yes my expectations are higher. If you are happy with that then fine, keep your head buried in the sand. But too many mistakes are being made for me and it needs putting right NOW otherwise we are only heading one way.