IA raises some good points. I think what is more notable is that Hull FC virtually doubled their attendances overnight when they moved to the KC. Not too dissimilar for me since the Boulevard also had horrendous viewing positions in the pits where your eyes were at the players ankle level.

Big plus for me this season is the thing that counts the most, the team! They are giving 100% every week and that's all the paying public can ask for. Can you imagine the class of 2010 coming back from 24 - 6 down to beat Cas or letting a 20 - 6 lead slip against HKR but still coming back to win? I would imagine both those games would have been lost by 30+ points this time last season.

If the team are giving 100% every game, win, lose or draw, people will keep coming back to watch them.

Maybe, but only 6,000 or so people who are 'serious' RL fans, able or willing to appreciate the effort and endeavour involved. To get to the talismanic 10k+ crowds, we need to win stuff.

I don't think that is a necessity, i think first people of wakefield need to take us seariously, and then need to believe we are capable of achieving something. I dont even think that the ground is as important (of course it cant harm) as some think.
Just good old fashioned belief, look at what gates the catalan dragons achieved, based on little success, but huge passion and local identity.

I refer the right honourable gentleman to my previous response; marketing is the key - to get them to believe, they have to know about what it is they're being asked to believe.

Yup, that's the catch 22. NM would certainly secure the clubs future but there is nothing like winning to drag in the punters. At the end of the day £20 is a lot to ask the less committed fan to hand over to watch a relatively uncompetitive team (where trophies are concerned).

We the insanely committed on here often forget that. Without wanting to re-ignite the Ted debate it was something that he never quite understood IMO - IMO he was a committed fan but failed to grasp that others were not the same. The one thing I'll give AG so far is that he seems to understand the need for the dream to at least appear a possibility. Sometimes you have to make people believe and the fact that we don't deny we are after Eastmond is a prime example. The old regime would have somehow transpired to be out of the running straight away. The same is probably the case now but by at least appearing to be in the running gives us all hope or at least something to talk about.

Of course we will have to do something in the end else people will lose faith. If we could do well in the CCup especialy win it that would give the new club a fair few good will years something the club has lacked for many a year. And as you say or as Kevin Cosner did say "they will come" and the catch 22 will be broken so fingers crossed

I would actual say that a new ground would bring you an average of above 8k (probably more in the first season) and that winning stuff is the road to 10k+.

I agree with that, even if success is a very hard thing to achieve, you have to create the illusion that it is a real possibility among fans.

The best possible outcome this season to influence fans would be to have a good cc run -semi final atleast and promote it well along with quarters. And to nip into the top 8 playoffs. A tough ask but the players could achieve I believe with raw effort and continued development.

If these could be achieved on field then there would be a big buzz on the terraces and it would bring in a few through the gate short term.

Would like to see 6k plus for catalans possibly 7 and feel this could be achieved through marketing and offers.

You don't want to agree with me to often, I'm an idiot apparantly

The CCup has always been our get in but apart from 2008 we've made a real hash of it.

One, it's easier to win than SL (that's not to say it isn't hard, it is).

Two, some clubs win titles some win cups. Although we have won two titles it's as cup kings that Trinity will always be remembered. I think it's the trip to Wembley that would get the Wakefield public going rather than Old Trafford. For me the SL title is the premier trophy but for most older or lapsed fans the romance is at Wembley.

I'd go for CCup glory, I'd go for broke even if it costs us the odd SL game - it's risky but what isn't.

Bit OT but I've always wondered. How are match finances distributed from cc matches?

Is it shared gate? Or is it set monies on what round team reaches/ exits?