Sam Abus and Jen Beffries both played for Wakefield Warriors in last nights 9s.

The tannoy man at Leeds last night did a fine job

Sounds like it was a good night.

Sadly I agree with that. Don't believe good younger players have reached anything like their potential at Wakefield in recent years. Not simply because they are surrounded by mediocrity but the coaching has let them down badly.

Wigan have one of the best youth set ups in the game, and have the kids in a great environment, it's not something in the past we have exploited to it full potential. Take players out of that environment into poorer ones and rarely do they kick on.

Gleeson is a fine example who for me has gone backwards at Trinity. Both Howarth and Vievers have some major aspects of their game that haseant they have not got a look in yet at first team, mainly pace, and while they may have a short term impact while things remain at they are I cannot see them bringing long term quality to the club while things remain as they are.

Hope this does not upset you TRB.

No upset - just thought it was ironic that we don't see you for ages and then, like the shopkeeeper in Mr Ben, Wigan win something - and here you are!

Please explain this comment. Not sure where it's aimed at tbh.

I maintain that you're a patronising so-and-so but regretfully, I'd have to agree with that comment.

love you too xx

That would appear to be a comment on the individuals rather than the positions they hold - although I don't suppose it would be right to ask you to say exactly who that is aimed at.

The first part of your post is correct and we are doing all we can to move on - at least with 1 part of the equation!

you have just answered your own question, not many can come in at an early age and either move on or just can't break into the team,

this year Morton has had to under the knife and Southernwood thought his future has else where, the others are waiting

Several younger less developed lads are now playing first team at clubs higher up the table.

I have to say whilst they are not ready for SL yet in some cases some and are stagnating rather than waiting. I also worry about having the first team coach and main development coach coming from the same era and background......where do the new ideas come from in that situation?!

fresh and more vibrant coaching required I do feel that the younger players have had bad influences within the club,
players don't seem to want to stay and graft but to be fare it is a short time in the game